Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 28 Jun 2005
28 Jun 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Rural Schools (Closure) (PE872)
What he said. I agree with everything that Richard Baker has just said, but I will add a couple of comments of my own.I, too, have had the opportunity to speak to the parents at Arbirlot Primary School, and this morning I had a long discussion with parents of children who attend Rothiemay Primary School and other schools that are affected in the Moray area. The common theme that runs through the proposals to close those schools and other schools in rural Scotland is that there appears to be an inexorable pressure towards the closure not only of the tiny rural schools that which were of concern six years ago when the Parliament came into being but of rural schools whose rolls are in the region of 60 to 70. In my view, a school with a roll of that size is a healthy rural school that should not be threatened with closure.The reasons that are given for considering closing schools often include their physical condition, the fact that they have composite classes and the fact that there is—apparently—some higher standard of education that we hope to achieve in the 21st century. However, the schools invariably have excellent performance records. Despite the fact that they are small and have composite classes, they often produce the best school records.We are talking not only about education and the quality of education—many communities that are threatened with the loss of their school depend for their social and economic existence on having, among other things, a school at their heart. Seeking an example of a community that has been strengthened as a result of having its school closed would be an interesting exercise. I do not think that we would find many communities that had been strengthened by that.Some consultation documents have suggested that population decline is a reason for school closures, but I suggest that school closures are a reason for population decline in most of rural Scotland. The issue therefore goes further than education.I would like the committee to recommend that the subject should be on the agenda not only of the Education Committee but of the Environment and Rural Development Committee, which may be able to consider in its current rural development inquiry or in the near future how the closure of schools can have a direct impact on communities in rural areas.The nature of the consultation processes that are taking place is an additional concern. I have been party to a number of the consultations and have not been satisfied with any of them. The consultation processes are too often faits accomplis. We must ensure that councils and councillors can become actively involved in real consultation that results in practical decision making.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
Our next petition is PE872, which was lodged by Alexander Longmuir on behalf of the Arbirlot parents group. It calls on the Scottish Parliament"to urge the S...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab):
Lab
Petition PE872, which seeks a presumption against the closure of rural schools, was lodged as a result of the proposed closure of schools in the north-east. ...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
What he said. I agree with everything that Richard Baker has just said, but I will add a couple of comments of my own.I, too, have had the opportunity to spe...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
I compliment the Public Petitions Committee, although I am not sure whether it will help my case to do so. I will put matters in context. Two petitions have ...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP):
SNP
It is difficult to follow three excellent speeches about the issues in the petition. As the committee knows, I previously brought a petition to Parliament fr...
The Convener:
Lab
Thank you very much for your contributions, which will help the committee in its consideration of the petition.I will respond to a couple of the comments tha...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
Six or seven years ago in Glasgow we experienced first hand many school closures. We are now aware of the negative impact that such closures have on pupils, ...
The Convener:
Lab
That is a valid point and we can ask about that general issue in our letter to the Executive.
Mike Watson:
Ind
I will make a general point first. This morning, we received a letter from the chairperson of the Arbirlot parents group, which expresses her concern—in fact...
Mrs Ewing:
SNP
No.
Mike Watson:
Ind
Are they not? I apologise. Individual members on those councils should be following those party policies. The presumption is important. Another important iss...
The Convener:
Lab
I take on board that point and your earlier point, but the rules of the Parliament are that if an MSP wishes to come along to another committee they are free...
Mike Watson:
Ind
It was not a criticism of you, convener.
The Convener:
Lab
I know that, but it is worth putting on the record that this committee is affected by the situation probably more than any other, but we just have to deal wi...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
I want to raise four points. The Executive appears to be placing pressure on councils and the way that they tackle the problem. I do not think for one minute...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
I was going to ask members some questions, but, in the light of Rob Gibson's comments, I will say something slightly different first.
The Convener:
Lab
Please, do not ask members questions; we are not having a question and answer session.
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
Okay. I will try to be brief and encapsulate my points.I support your comments to Margaret Ewing, convener—councillors are not prevented from participating i...
The Convener:
Lab
The Executive should be asked those questions, too. I do not want to pre-empt what John Scott will say, but that is the direction in which I think we will ha...
John Scott:
Con
I endorse Jackie Baillie's comments. I refer Margaret Ewing to a letter that we received from Tavish Scott some time ago that outlined the details of guideli...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
We should write to the Scottish Executive to ask how it has monitored all the criteria that have been put in place. If there are inconsistencies, the ministe...
The Convener:
Lab
We agree that we have to take up the issue with the Executive. We have a host of questions to ask. I will formulate a letter to the minister that will be acc...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Can we send it to the Enterprise and Culture Committee as well?
The Convener:
Lab
If you think that that is appropriate. I am not so sure that it is. If the Education Committee and the Environment and Rural Development Committee are consid...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Okay.
The Convener:
Lab
I thank everyone for their contributions.
Meeting suspended.
On resuming—