Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 28 Jun 2005
28 Jun 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Rural Schools (Closure) (PE872)
Petition PE872, which seeks a presumption against the closure of rural schools, was lodged as a result of the proposed closure of schools in the north-east. The campaign has won support from parents throughout Scotland who are in similar situations. The petition was lodged by parents whose children attend Arbirlot Primary School in Angus, and I wish specifically to refer to Angus Council's proposal to close that school.As was mentioned when the committee discussed the matter last week, it is right for councils to review and seek to develop and improve their schools' infrastructure and it is right for local decisions to be made that take into account the views of parents and local communities. However, through visiting Arbirlot Primary School and meeting the parents who are here today, I have found that there are still instances in which the appropriate consultation processes are not followed. The school was earmarked for closure after only an informal consultation by the council, which offered no options other than closure. That happened despite the fact that the school's roll can be expected to be maintained, the fact that it received an excellent report from Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education, the fact that the school has excellent levels of attainment, and the fact that its closure would leave many children with difficult journeys to alternative schools.That, in itself, makes the proposal bewildering, but the position is exacerbated by the fact that, during the process, Executive guidelines were misrepresented. For example, parents have been advised by the local authority that the school has to be closed because it does not meet the requirement for a 100m2 gym, but the Executive has confirmed to me that there is no such requirement. Parents were told by the convener of the council's education committee that it has had dialogue with the Minister for Education and Young People, but the minister has confirmed that no such dialogue has taken place. In addition, parents were told that there was a second report on the status of the school, but that report does not exist. In the overall context of school reorganisation in Angus, the proposal seems bizarre.That might be an extreme example, but we recently learned of a proposal by Moray Council to close a large number of rural schools. Its decision will, of course, have a serious impact on local communities. In speaking to parents today, I once again learned that there are serious concerns about the consultation process. Parents have only two months to respond to the proposal. The council says that schools that operate at only 60 per cent of capacity will be closed, but it is predicting such a level for schools that are currently nearly full. It seems to the parents that Moray Council's decisions are driven by financial, rather than educational, considerations.A sizeable number of rural schools throughout the country are threatened with closure. It is important that proper consideration is given to the matter, particularly as some local authorities are not engaging in proper consultation processes. The successful, sustainable schools that they propose to close are vital parts of our rural communities and we can ill afford to lose them.I know that the committee has discussed the matter before and that, as the convener said, the Executive has issued guidance on the matter. However, given the number of proposed closures and the number of schools that could only reasonably be judged as sustainable, it is worth while to reconsider how we can ensure that the guidance is properly followed so that rural schools that perform their crucial role well can remain open. There is a balance to be struck between ensuring that decisions can be taken locally and ensuring that the Executive has in place the right mechanisms so that the views of staff, parents and pupils are fully and properly taken into account. We need a mechanism that offers protection to successful rural schools so that they can continue to perform their vital role.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
Our next petition is PE872, which was lodged by Alexander Longmuir on behalf of the Arbirlot parents group. It calls on the Scottish Parliament"to urge the S...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab):
Lab
Petition PE872, which seeks a presumption against the closure of rural schools, was lodged as a result of the proposed closure of schools in the north-east. ...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
What he said. I agree with everything that Richard Baker has just said, but I will add a couple of comments of my own.I, too, have had the opportunity to spe...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
I compliment the Public Petitions Committee, although I am not sure whether it will help my case to do so. I will put matters in context. Two petitions have ...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP):
SNP
It is difficult to follow three excellent speeches about the issues in the petition. As the committee knows, I previously brought a petition to Parliament fr...
The Convener:
Lab
Thank you very much for your contributions, which will help the committee in its consideration of the petition.I will respond to a couple of the comments tha...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
Six or seven years ago in Glasgow we experienced first hand many school closures. We are now aware of the negative impact that such closures have on pupils, ...
The Convener:
Lab
That is a valid point and we can ask about that general issue in our letter to the Executive.
Mike Watson:
Ind
I will make a general point first. This morning, we received a letter from the chairperson of the Arbirlot parents group, which expresses her concern—in fact...
Mrs Ewing:
SNP
No.
Mike Watson:
Ind
Are they not? I apologise. Individual members on those councils should be following those party policies. The presumption is important. Another important iss...
The Convener:
Lab
I take on board that point and your earlier point, but the rules of the Parliament are that if an MSP wishes to come along to another committee they are free...
Mike Watson:
Ind
It was not a criticism of you, convener.
The Convener:
Lab
I know that, but it is worth putting on the record that this committee is affected by the situation probably more than any other, but we just have to deal wi...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
I want to raise four points. The Executive appears to be placing pressure on councils and the way that they tackle the problem. I do not think for one minute...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
I was going to ask members some questions, but, in the light of Rob Gibson's comments, I will say something slightly different first.
The Convener:
Lab
Please, do not ask members questions; we are not having a question and answer session.
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
Okay. I will try to be brief and encapsulate my points.I support your comments to Margaret Ewing, convener—councillors are not prevented from participating i...
The Convener:
Lab
The Executive should be asked those questions, too. I do not want to pre-empt what John Scott will say, but that is the direction in which I think we will ha...
John Scott:
Con
I endorse Jackie Baillie's comments. I refer Margaret Ewing to a letter that we received from Tavish Scott some time ago that outlined the details of guideli...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
We should write to the Scottish Executive to ask how it has monitored all the criteria that have been put in place. If there are inconsistencies, the ministe...
The Convener:
Lab
We agree that we have to take up the issue with the Executive. We have a host of questions to ask. I will formulate a letter to the minister that will be acc...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Can we send it to the Enterprise and Culture Committee as well?
The Convener:
Lab
If you think that that is appropriate. I am not so sure that it is. If the Education Committee and the Environment and Rural Development Committee are consid...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Okay.
The Convener:
Lab
I thank everyone for their contributions.
Meeting suspended.
On resuming—