Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 28 Jun 2005
28 Jun 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Erskine Bridge (Tolls) (PE869)
Councillor Andrew White (West Dunbartonshire Council):
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I thank the convener and the committee for receiving the petition and for allowing me to make a brief statement. The petition is a joint petition by me, as leader of West Dunbartonshire Council, and Councillor Jim Harkins, as leader of Renfrewshire Council. Unfortunately, Jim cannot be here this morning because the committee meeting clashes with his full council meeting.As the committee will be aware, the Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 1968 introduced tolls on the Erskine bridge—the tolls started in 1971. We in West Dunbartonshire and people throughout the west of Scotland believe that the tolls are a burden to local people and an obstacle to the Scottish Executive achieving many of its policy objectives. Bringing a petition to the committee is not a starting point in our campaign to have the tolls removed, as my council has been campaigning for their removal since 2001. We have lobbied all transport ministers and we have also written to the First Minister. We are disappointed with the response that we have received. The Scottish Executive has committed itself to a review of tolls and has published a consultation document, "Tolled Bridges Review - Phase Two Consultation", which asks 20 questions. Unfortunately, none of those questions asks whether the tolls on the Erskine bridge should be removed. Therefore, we do not believe that our concerns will be addressed by the review. That is why we feel that the Public Petitions Committee is an appropriate place to take the issue forward.We believe that there are three main justifications for removing tolls on the Erskine bridge: social and economic reasons; transport and environmental reasons; and financial reasons. We believe that the abolition of tolls on the Erskine bridge is important to economic regeneration in our area. We believe that the tolls are a barrier that jobseekers face and that the bridge is the quickest way for West Dunbartonshire residents to get to the national motorway system. We believe that, if the tolls were scrapped, West Dunbartonshire would be more attractive to businesses. We believe that the tolls are a deterrent to businesses locating in West Dunbartonshire and to local people seeking employment on the other side of the bridge from where they live. We estimate that, if the tolls were scrapped, 100 jobs could be gained. That would be 100 people with jobs who need them more than the Executive needs the tolls. There is also the issue of access to health services. Unfortunately, because of centralisation of health services, a number of constituents in West Dunbartonshire have to access services in Paisley. Clearly, the tolls represent a barrier to the ability of residents in West Dunbartonshire to attend out-patient clinics regularly.We believe that scrapping the tolls would bring transport and environmental benefits at a local and a regional level. The improved efficiency that would result from enabling vehicles to travel at constant speeds without slowing down and queueing will improve air quality around the bridge. In that regard, we do not think that the bridge should be considered in isolation from the Kingston bridge and the Clyde tunnel. All three river crossings are linked in terms of travel choice. The Glasgow crossings are operating beyond capacity, whereas the Erskine bridge is operating considerably under capacity. That imbalance can be addressed by removing the tolls, which would also help to relieve congestion. The toll regime was established to pay for capital, administrative, maintenance and repair costs on the bridge until the capital cost was recovered. We believe that that purpose was met some time ago. We can see that, in 2003, income from the bridge was around £5.5 million and the 2000-01 accounts show a cumulative surplus of £13.75 million. This issue affects not only West Dunbartonshire and Renfrew. The petition and the campaign to have the tolls removed from the Erskine bridge have the cross-party support of seven councils in the west of Scotland. That display of unity across party lines shows the strength of feeling that the tolls should be scrapped. We believe that the Scottish Executive should not delay the decision any longer. We have been waiting for four years since the Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001 was passed. We believe that removing the tolls would be right and just and seek the Public Petitions Committee's support in that regard.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
Our first new petition this morning is PE869, by Councillor Andrew White, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Executive to remove ...
Councillor Andrew White (West Dunbartonshire Council):
I thank the convener and the committee for receiving the petition and for allowing me to make a brief statement. The petition is a joint petition by me, as l...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
It will come as no surprise to the committee that I am persuaded by the arguments that have been presented in favour of scrapping the tolls on the Erskine br...
Councillor White:
A study was undertaken into the benefits of removing the tolls on the Erskine bridge and the effect that that could have on congestion on the Kingston bridge...
Mike Watson (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab):
Ind
Good morning. I admit to being open minded about the matter—I am here to be convinced of the case for ending the tolls on the Erskine bridge in isolation. Yo...
Councillor White:
The council's economic development team worked with colleagues in Renfrewshire Council to look at the situation. Their work suggests that at least 100 jobs c...
Mike Watson:
Ind
You are saying that 100 new jobs could be created if the bridge were toll free. The issue is not that the weekly £6.20 cost of crossing the bridge means that...
Councillor White:
Obviously, we have looked at the fact that the bridge tolls are a barrier to people in West Dunbartonshire accessing jobs on the other side of the river. I g...
Mike Watson:
Ind
You said that several local authorities have supported your case. Is Glasgow City Council one of them?
Councillor White:
Glasgow would be the eighth council to support our case. Seven local authorities—West Dunbartonshire Council, Argyll and Bute Council, Renfrewshire Council, ...
Mike Watson:
Ind
You have lobbied the former Minister for Transport and Glasgow City Council, so we will see what that brings. As I live in Glasgow, I am familiar with the pr...
Councillor White:
After looking at the matter with our colleagues, we believe that removing tolls on the Erskine bridge would relieve the pressure on some parts of Glasgow, su...
Mike Watson:
Ind
Finally, are you against bridge tolls in general or just the tolls on the Erskine bridge? Do you have a view on the tolls on the Tay and Forth bridges? Indee...
Councillor White:
The toll situations on the Forth, Tay and Erskine bridges should be considered on their own merits. As an elected representative and leader of West Dunbarton...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con):
Con
I have to say that Mike Watson has largely asked the questions that I wanted to ask.
Mike Watson:
Ind
You always say that.
John Scott:
Con
I absolutely do not.I did not catch the name of the institution that carried out the work from which you concluded that removing the tolls would create 100 j...
Councillor White:
The work was carried out by experts in West Dunbartonshire Council's economic development division in consultation with Renfrewshire Council. In addition, Sc...
John Scott:
Con
Was it the same team that carried out the congestion studies?
Councillor White:
Yes.
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab):
Lab
Has the issue been raised with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities?
Councillor White:
It has been raised by COSLA. In 2001, I made representations to Sarah Boyack, who was the then Minister for Transport and Planning, asking for tolls to be re...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
Would it be worth your raising the issue with COSLA again, given that second stage consultation on the tolls on all the remaining tolled bridges in Scotland ...
Councillor White:
That might be a good way forward. I am sure that the COSLA transport convener would be interested to hear that suggestion about a conference. I am particular...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
The papers that we have received tell us that the Scottish Executive is considering the 120-year payback time that applies to any bridge. The older that brid...
Councillor White:
I do not accept that logic. There will of course be on-going maintenance and repair costs for the Erskine bridge. We estimate that those costs come to around...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
Do you accept that none of your points addresses the need for on-going and increased maintenance? Your arguments address debt issues only. We should take acc...
Councillor White:
On the last point, I said that I believed that COSLA would make a submission to the review. However, because of the area that I represent, I am particularly ...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
It is interesting to think about an overall transport plan. Bridges are just an extension of the roads system. We spend lots of money on roads maintenance, j...
Councillor White:
Removal of the tolls on the bridge would increase traffic flow and support the development of an integrated transport system. There is absolutely no doubt th...