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Public Petitions Committee, 25 Feb 2003

25 Feb 2003 · S1 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Frail Elderly People (Local Services) (PE597)<br />Residential and Nursing Care Places (PE599)
Scanlon, Mary Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
Four years ago, I sat around this table with Dorothy-Grace Elder, Duncan Hamilton and other members of the Health and Community Care Committee and drew up the top 10 priorities for health in Scotland. Far ahead of everything else, our agenda was led by care in the community. Since then, the Health and Community Care Committee has dealt with the Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002 and the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001, which set up the Scottish Social Services Council, and we have just finished stage 2 of the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill. We also made a commitment to monitor the implementation of care in the community. Given that the new policy was started only on 1 July last year, it would have been petulant to start jumping up and down at the time, because anything so new was obviously going to have teething problems. Now, nine months after implementation, I am seriously worried about what is happening. I spoke to a lady in the demonstration outside who said that her mother had been moved six months ago from another home. I know the trauma that is caused to old people who are moved.The Scottish Parliament has introduced new regulations with which we all agree—apart from the one that resulted in water rates bills of £8,000. Amendments to policy—such as ensuring that there is a nurse in every home, better training and higher standards—will help people at the end of their lives to live with dignity and respect. We look for the same standards across Scotland. As a member of the Scottish Parliament who represents the Highlands and Islands, I could not even find Cockenzie in East Lothian. Although the petition mentions Cockenzie House in particular, the same problems apply to every care home in Scotland, except council care homes. The councils pay £150 more per person per week. Council care homes have no worries about meeting regulations, employing nurses or providing en suite bathrooms. That is why the situation is unfair. The private and independent sector is being starved of funds.The situation is bad enough for the elderly people. I will not repeat what Christine Grahame has said. In the past year, 15,800 people in Scotland turned up for surgery at hospitals only to be turned away because of a lack of beds. There were no beds because more than 3,000 beds were blocked. About 3,000 beds are still blocked, in spite of the injection of millions of pounds. In the Highlands, the number of blocked beds is increasing. The blocking is not the fault of the people in those beds. The beds are being blocked because councils are refusing to fund care. Residential care homes are closing every week.Every time I speak about the issue in the Parliament, members say that those who run care homes are in it for profit. Even the Church of Scotland, which is taking money from its social fund and its collections, cannot break even—it had to close homes last year. Similarly, the Salvation Army, which does not run care homes for profit, cannot break even. The people who run care homes are simply trying to break even. I have looked at the bank balance of a care-home owner in Fort William. She is getting a loan up to the cost of the care home. When her overdraft reaches the price of the home, she will be closed down. That is the situation that many care-home owners in Scotland face.The figure given on the yellow placard that protesters outside the Parliament were holding—£465—is not unreasonable. It is certainly very reasonable in comparison with what councils pay their homes. The figure is supported by Which? magazine and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.Although I am speaking in support of a petition on Cockenzie House, the points that I make are general. Every member of the Health and Community Care Committee expressed their commitment to consistent standards of care throughout Scotland. There is a two-tier system in which councils, which are given far more money than everyone else, turn round and criticise others for profit making, not having enough staff and paying their staff less. If every home were paid the same per patient to achieve the same quality standards, private care-home owners could pay their staff more, provide more training and meet all the obligations that the Parliament has set. I ask the committee to consider the petition not just in relation to Cockenzie House, but in relation to every care home in the independent sector in Scotland.

In the same item of business

The Convener: Lab
The first new petition is PE597, from Mr Paul McLennan, calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Executive to provide adequate funding to Scottish hosp...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I will address the petitions separately and I thank the convener for moving them up the agenda.Belhaven hospital in East Lothian provides another example of ...
The Convener: Lab
You are not taking up my time; you are taking up the time of other petitioners.
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
Four years ago, I sat around this table with Dorothy-Grace Elder, Duncan Hamilton and other members of the Health and Community Care Committee and drew up th...
The Convener: Lab
Although the petition comes from Cockenzie House, it is general—it does not relate to Cockenzie House alone. The committee cannot get involved in individual ...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
I want to comment on the general problems that Mary Scanlon has identified. To be fair, I must admit that the problem did not begin in 1997. It was around wh...
The Convener: Lab
Before I call Dorothy-Grace Elder to speak, I apologise for giving the impression that the petitioners are not here. They are at the back of the room, but I ...
Dorothy-Grace Elder (Glasgow) (Ind): Ind
We are all mindful of the fact that these are the fourth and fifth petitions that we have received on the same theme in a couple of months. The petitions tha...
Phil Gallie: Con
The Belhaven argument identifies another funding problem, where the health service is doing the job of the local authority with respect to housing need. It i...
The Convener: Lab
Okay. Let us turn to the suggested action on the two petitions. We received three petitions on almost exactly the same issue previously. There seems to be a ...
Christine Grahame: SNP
I have here a news release from the Church of Scotland—I think that a bit of spin has been put on what it has to say. The director of social work for the Chu...
The Convener: Lab
It is important that we get the Church of Scotland to comment on the petitions and the new funding package. We should also ask the Salvation Army for its views.
Mary Scanlon: Con
I did not mention this point when I had the opportunity to speak. In October 2001, after what is known as the Aberdeen stand-off—when care homes in Aberdeen ...
The Convener: Lab
Will you provide the clerks with the exact name of the review group?
Mary Scanlon: Con
Yes.
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I whole-heartedly endorse the suggestion that, in view of the recent announcement, we raise the issue of funding with the Scottish Executive. As I understand...
The Convener: Lab
I seek the committee's agreement to link PE597 and PE599 to the earlier petitions and I suggest that we defer consideration of the matter until we receive re...
Phil Gallie: Con
On the television and radio the other day, I heard Scottish Care answering Executive criticisms about the attitude of care homes to the additional costs. Wou...
The Convener: Lab
Yes. We will ask for comments from the Church of Scotland, the Salvation Army and Scottish Care. Are members agreed?Members indicated agreement.
The Convener: Lab
I thank the petitioners for attending. I should also say that we do not often get petitions that are as well presented as those that we received from the Coc...