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Local Government and Transport Committee, 15 Mar 2005

15 Mar 2005 · S2 · Local Government and Transport Committee
Item of business
Trunk Road Maintenance Contracts
Alan Mackenzie (BEAR Scotland Ltd): Watch on SPTV
As Joe Burns's surname begins with a "B", he has—unfortunately—anticipated me by saying many of the things that I was going to say. I agree with most of the views that he has outlined to the committee. In the northern part of the country, we found the short mobilisation period challenging. My one hope for the future is that there will be a reasonable period in which to get a business together and to start dealing with such a big contract. I was pleased that, despite the short mobilisation period, the PAG report considered that we were as good in the first year as the previous incumbents were in the previous year and that we had provided a comparable service. That was encouraging.I do not want to spend time repeating what Joe Burns has said, but I think that it might be worth while to give some background and to say what we do and how we are constructed. BEAR Scotland Ltd is owned by three shareholder companies, which are major players in the United Kingdom construction market. They are Jacobs Babtie, which is a consulting engineers company; Ennstone Thistle Ltd, which is a road surfacing and quarrying company; and Ringway, which is a highway maintenance provider to the public sector. We are based in Perth and, as members know, we look after the north-west and north-east contracts, which are the main focus of the company's activity. That means that we are a dedicated resource that gives a dedicated service to the trunk road network.On scale, the network is 2,500km of carriageway. I have been reliably informed that that is enough road to stretch from Aberdeen to Moscow—one wonders why one would want to take such a road, but never mind. We have a local presence through 11 depots around the country. We are also supported by our local authority partners—by Aberdeen City Council and through Tayside Contracts. In addition, we have strong commercial relationships with Argyll and Bute Council and Highland Council.Although many people think of us simply as the contractor out there who digs holes, we actually have a full range of services. In addition to dealing with network management, we have operational delivery teams and a large consultancy business with professionals who design various schemes and deliver accident investigation, for example. At a higher level, professional support is available to us from our shareholders as and when we need it. We also have a finance and administration team. Our well-developed local supply chain ensures that local industry shares in the workload that is generated by the contracts, as do the local authorities, with which we have active relationships.Our main asset is our people. Among our 330 staff who are spread throughout the north of Scotland, there is a wealth of experience and local knowledge. A point that is not always understood is that many of our employees previously worked for local authorities but transferred over to us under the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations. We blended them into a team with individuals from private companies. That was a healthy thing to do and we have all learned a lot from it.We have been independently recognised as providing a comparable service to the previous operators. Our annual reports have demonstrated a year-on-year improvement and we are happy with the performance that we are giving under the specification.People tend to dwell on the negatives, so let me highlight some positives. Over several years, we have dealt effectively with major landslides in the north of Scotland, especially with those that happened at the same time last year on the A9, the A83 and the A85. That was a challenge to us, but we worked well and we were recognised by the media as having provided a quick and efficient service in reopening the roads quickly.Our safety record for highway maintenance is considerably better than the national average. We target a 50 per cent year-on-year reduction in incidents arising from our activities on the network. We also carry out more than 1,500 safety audits each year to ensure that what we do is as safe as it can be.In conjunction with the client, we have developed an asset and inventory management system to establish the network's asset base, so that we can know better how to deal with things as we go forward. We have also innovated through schemes such as the two-plus-one scheme on the A9. Some people think that that is controversial but we believe that, in a maintenance environment, delivering a third lane will ease congestion and make it easier to maintain the road.In summary, we recognise that the public want safe and uneventful journeys on the network. It is not always possible to ensure that every customer who comes into contact with us is satisfied with the outcome, but we believe that we provide an excellent service that not only meets our contractual requirements but has already been proven to provide value for money through the competitive process.I am proud of our record and of our staff, who, day in, day out, deliver results that are independently verified as being in line with the requirements that are placed on us. My colleague and I will be pleased to answer any questions.

In the same item of business

The Convener: Lab
Item 4 is an evidence-taking session on the trunk road maintenance contracts. The first group of witnesses is made up of representatives of the current contr...
Joe Burns (Amey):
I always knew that being called Burns was a disadvantage. I thank the committee for giving me the opportunity to say something at the outset.Our experience o...
Alan Mackenzie (BEAR Scotland Ltd):
As Joe Burns's surname begins with a "B", he has—unfortunately—anticipated me by saying many of the things that I was going to say. I agree with most of the ...
The Convener: Lab
The two reporters who were appointed by the committee will ask opening questions. I will then draw other members into the debate. We will hear first from Mic...
Michael McMahon (Hamilton North and Bellshill) (Lab): Lab
I have a couple of questions, which are based both on information that I have picked up from talking to people and from the written evidence.We received a jo...
Joe Burns:
Let me first deal with whether risk is placed where it can best be managed. The answer to that can be seen in the results of the tendering process. When a pr...
Michael McMahon: Lab
The second question was whether you thought that the process was skewed in favour of the private sector rather than the public sector. When the last contract...
Joe Burns:
It is difficult for me to say whether the process was skewed. We were allowed to tender, so we tendered.
Alan Mackenzie:
I am in a reasonably good position to answer the question, because when the 2G contracts were being priced I was with a private company in Scotland working w...
Michael McMahon: Lab
That is a helpful answer. You are now the incumbent, so is there anything in the specifications that was not there previously?
Alan Mackenzie:
Yes—that will always be an element, but I do not think that it was a substantial element amounting to millions of pounds of risk. If you were to place the co...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Good afternoon, gentlemen, and thank you for coming before the committee. I sought the committee's agreement to hold this mini-inquiry today for the simple r...
Alan Mackenzie:
We are more than happy to price for any specification that the Scottish Executive gives us. I am sure that the Executive is considering at the moment the asp...
The Convener: Lab
I will let Fergus Ewing back in, but I want to come in at this point. Your being one of the companies that will bid for the 3G contracts puts you in a diffic...
Alan Mackenzie:
We deliver a good service within the current specification. There have not been many instances when it was found that there had been a dramatic failure on th...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Without asking you to express an opinion as to what might be desirable, perhaps you could suggest what might be possible in practice. I take it that it would...
Alan Mackenzie:
Yes, it would be possible to do that.
Fergus Ewing: SNP
If that happened, what would the implications be for your operation? Would that require you to get more drivers or staff?
Alan Mackenzie:
It certainly would.
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Is that something that you have discussed with the Scottish Executive? I note from the tender documents that discussions took place in December.
Alan Mackenzie:
Yes, I think those issues were raised. It goes back to a balancing exercise. To increase the specification would lead to a large resource being required, par...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
I do not mean this to become a dialogue between Mr Mackenzie and me. Would Mr Burns like to comment?
Joe Burns:
I endorse everything that my colleague has said. We need to bear in mind the addition with respect to the specification and the factor of affordability. It i...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Do you have anything else in mind, other than better communication and information?
Joe Burns:
As Mr Mackenzie said, it would be possible to up the specification through providing more gritters and more drivers. However, there is a cost implication in ...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Since you have taken over responsibility for trunk road maintenance, has there been any change in winter maintenance? Do you carry out the same standard and ...
Alan Mackenzie:
My understanding is that the specification has not changed from 1G to 2G. Bill Taylor has worked in both areas, so he will perhaps be better able to answer t...
Bill Taylor (BEAR Scotland Ltd):
I was involved as a general manager of one of the 1G contracts. The specification for winter provision is based on a code of practice that was introduced in ...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Although Highland Council was not obliged to do so, it effected a higher level of maintenance than BEAR has done, because it chose to do more than the contra...
Bill Taylor:
The vast majority of the service is precautionary treatment. The precautionary treatment will be exactly the same today as it was under the previous arrangem...