Committee
Communities Committee, 27 Sep 2006
27 Sep 2006 · S2 · Communities Committee
Item of business
Planning etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have brought effectively only one amendment before the committee. I aim to address what I hope is a non-partisan issue that I believe is also an issue of natural justice. Amendment 126 aims to put right a wrong. Is that not our role as MSPs? Should we not be able to examine an issue on its merits?I know that ministers are incredibly reluctant to accept back-bench amendments that are lodged at stage 2 because nearly all amendments are lodged to further an MSP's policy objectives, although there is nothing wrong with that. However, back-bench amendments are resisted by ministers mostly because they do not sit well with the policy objectives that the ministers are here to see through. That is also fine, and I have no objection to it. However, I hope that colleagues will see that on this occasion I have left the politics of the bill to others because I want to tackle one issue to correct a wrong in the system. When we pass new laws it is important to remember that we should always be concerned about how the legislation will impact on individuals.What is the wrong that I want us to put right? I am sure that members all know that, as the law stands, there is no right of appeal in planning for the people who are directly affected by planning applications—the neighbours who are in receipt of a neighbour notification about a local development. As we all know, if an application is turned down, a developer has the right of appeal. That is fine. However, if an application is approved, there is no such right of appeal for neighbours, who can be badly affected by what is sometimes a perverse decision.We are all human beings, and human beings make mistakes. Our local councillors are no different. Although I am certain that the decisions are usually of the highest standard and the highest order, no one—not even the minister, I assume—would consider councillors to be infallible. Mistakes are made. Amendment 126 would give people the chance to have mistakes rectified.I will give members one example of what I mean, because I need only one example. My constituents, Mr and Mrs Desmond, of Crathes on Deeside, have given me permission to make this point because they are very concerned about it. Their lives have been blighted by our local councillors' decision to allow the building of a house in their neighbour's garden, against the recommendation of planning officials.I am not questioning the right of our councillors to grant permission, but the planning system has come into disrepute because there is a feeling that the process is stacked against people such as Mr and Mrs Desmond—certainly, that is what Mr and Mrs Desmond feel. I am using that example because the system affects real people. This is not an academic exercise. There is no way of overturning what Mr and Mrs Desmond consider to be a perverse decision that went against all the recommendations of the experts and officials.I want to see a balance returned to the system for people such as Mr and Mrs Desmond. It is not good enough to say that the bill is good and that the new system will be effective and work well. Mistakes are made because people make mistakes. We should have the good grace not only to recognise that—I am sure that we all do—but to take practical action to put the mistakes right. That is simply what I am asking the committee to do this morning.In particular, I am appealing to the minister's sense of fair play. I hope that she recognises that, no matter how good the new system is, people are human and mistakes will be made. We have the opportunity to enable wrongs to be put right, and I hope that she will accept amendment 126 in the spirit in which I have presented it. I do not want to comment on the other amendments in the group. I am here specifically to put right what I consider a wrong.I move amendment 126.
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The Convener (Karen Whitefield):
Lab
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Section 18—Appeals etc
The Convener:
Lab
Amendment 126, in the name of Mike Rumbles, is grouped with amendments 130, 251, 201, 218, 206 and 219.I should have welcomed Mike Rumbles, Sandra White and ...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
I have brought effectively only one amendment before the committee. I aim to address what I hope is a non-partisan issue that I believe is also an issue of n...
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
This is third time lucky, as it is the third time that we have turned up to debate the issue. Thankfully, we are being heard today, so I am grateful to the c...
The Convener:
Lab
I am afraid that you are not. As the member with the lead amendment in the group, Mike Rumbles has that right. Unfortunately, other members do not.
Ms White:
SNP
I will therefore continue. I am aware that the committee has been considering the bill for many weeks and, as I said, members are familiar with the third-par...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
Mike Rumbles and Sandra White have covered a lot of the arguments for a third-party right of appeal. Amendment 251 tries to keep to what I think is the basic...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I heard what Mike Rumbles had to say, but amendment 126 is too broad. In the example that he gave, he kept talking about a mistake by a planning officer. Jus...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
I congratulate Sandra White on lodging amendment 130 and on the work that she has done in the Parliament over the years to campaign for a limited third-party...
Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab):
Lab
Sandra White is right to say that the planning system needs to be transparent, fair and just. There is no doubt about that. My difficulty with amendments 126...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green):
Green
I will begin with the question that Mike Rumbles and Scott Barrie touched on—whether the third-party right of appeal is consistent with the bill and the prin...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):
Lab
I agree with Scott Barrie's points. I have been nudging him; perhaps he was looking over my shoulder at my notes.Unfortunately, some of the people who have b...
Euan Robson (Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (LD):
LD
I am interested in Sandra White's amendment 130, which is so limited that I wonder whether it is worth while. People would have to pass through a series of h...
John Home Robertson (East Lothian) (Lab):
Lab
Mike Rumbles cited the case of a neighbour who feels aggrieved when a local authority grants planning permission for a development next door. We have all hea...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I have listened to all the arguments on both sides and I remain unconvinced about the third-party right of appeal. However, I am not saying that I will not s...
The Convener:
Lab
There are strongly held views on both sides of the argument on rights of appeal. Everyone is striving to create a planning system that is open, transparent a...
The Deputy Minister for Communities (Johann Lamont):
Lab
Amendment 126 from Mike Rumbles and amendment 130 from Sandra White seek to introduce some form of limited third-party right of appeal into the planning syst...
Mike Rumbles:
LD
We have had a fascinating and constructive debate, which has teased out misunderstandings. I am disappointed by my own inability to get across the purpose of...
John Home Robertson:
Lab
That is a threat. Laughter.
Mike Rumbles:
LD
I thought that the convener made the point well that we are all here to try to do the best for the system. That is why I am making an appeal. I feel that 99 ...
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 126 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener:
Lab
There will be a division.
ForHarvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)AgainstBarrie, Scott (Dunfermline West) (Lab)Craigie, Cathie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Grahame, Christine (South of...
The Convener:
Lab
The result of the division is: For 1, Against 8, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 126 disagreed to.
Amendment 130 moved—Ms Sandra White.
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 130 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.