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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2026 [Draft]

25 Jun 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prison Population
Simpson, Mark Reform North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I welcome the new member for North East Scotland to the chamber.

A couple of weeks ago, one of my first actions as a Reform MSP was to visit HMP Grampian, so I have a particular interest in the topic. I had a good chat with the governor when I was there. Had Maggie Chapman or Kate Nevens taken one of my earlier interventions, which they did not, I would have asked whether the Scottish Green Party still has a radical policy of abolishing prisons. I would welcome an intervention from the Greens who are in the chamber to clarify whether the answer to that is yes or no.

It seems that no Green member wishes to intervene—there we go.

When I was in HMP Grampian, I saw at first hand the intense daily pressures that our prison system faces: chronic overcrowding, serious staff shortages and the constant challenge of managing a revolving-door population. Scotland’s prisons are not sustainable, and that is the fault of the SNP Government. The latest reconviction statistics make that brutally clear. Nearly two thirds of current prisoners have had at least one prison sentence in the past 10 years. For those serving short sentences of three months or less, the reoffending rate is a shocking 60 per cent.

Criminals must serve their sentences in prison to break that cycle. There are far too many repeat offenders in prison. It has become a normalised process for them and not actual punishment. It has become part of their reality.

In a perfect world, we would all like to have fewer people in prison but, sadly, we do not live in a perfect world—we live in a country where victims are far too often forgotten. As we learned this week, sexual crimes in Scotland have hit record highs. They are up 10 per cent on the previous year, at 16,430 offences, which is the highest level since 1971. That is a national disgrace.

Reform says it clearly: victims must come first. Soft sentences for serious and repeat offenders are failing women and girls, and they must stop. Reform supports mandatory minimum sentences for the most serious criminals and tougher sentences for those who repeatedly prey on others. That is not about being punitive for its own sake but about delivering justice for victims and creating a real deterrent.

We must also be honest about rehabilitation. The current system is failing badly. Too many prisoners leave prison with no job, no stable housing and no meaningful support. Those failures help no one, least of all the victims.

We need a stronger stick and a genuine carrot. The stick means that sentences actually deter. The carrot means serious, properly funded rehabilitation, education, vocational skills and a throughcare service that gives people a real chance to break the cycle and find genuine, long-term employment that means that they can provide for themselves, their families and their loved ones.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00469, in the name of Neil Gray, on achieving a sustainable prison population. I invite members who wish ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP
On the day after my appointment as justice secretary, I visited HMP Edinburgh to see the level of pressure that the Scottish Prison Service is facing due to ...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for giving way. He made a point about the remand population. He is quite right that one in four members of our prison populatio...
Neil Gray SNP
Stephen Kerr is correct. We have discussed that matter before, and I believe that the work that has been done on summary case management, which has sped up t...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary take this opportunity to accept, with some degree of humility, that the prison capacity situation is a direct result of the neglec...
Neil Gray SNP
I have already referenced that we are building two new prisons and that we are expanding capacity. We already have one of the highest levels of custody per h...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the opportunity to have an early discussion on the state of the Scottish prison system. There is a lot in the amendments from the ot...
Neil Gray SNP
I recognise Pauline McNeill’s long-standing commitment to looking at community alternatives to custody. Does she welcome what I am setting out to do in provi...
Pauline McNeill Lab
Yes, I do. I would like an early indication of additional investment in GPS technology. Considering all that we would need to do to provide safety for commun...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The member cannot take an intervention, as she is already in additional time.
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will conclude with a specific point on deaths in custody, which the Criminal Justice Committee had a brief chat about on Wednesday morning. There was a pro...
Amanda Bland (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform
I thank you, cabinet secretary, and Pauline McNeill.I am interested in your proposals. We agree that the Scottish Prison Service continues to operate in cris...
Amanda Bland (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform
I thank the cabinet secretary and Pauline McNeill.I am interested in your proposals. We agree that the Scottish Prison Service continues to operate in crisis...
Neil Gray SNP
I should correct the statistic that I gave. It is 8,459 not 8,549. There was a typo in the speech.
Neil Gray SNP
I should correct the statistic that I gave. It is 8,459 not 8,549. There was a typo in the speech.
Amanda Bland Reform
So, we are looking at 106 per cent overcapacity. That is one of the highest levels ever recorded. We are all in agreement that that is unsustainable, is unsa...
Amanda Bland Reform
So, we are looking at 106 per cent overcapacity. That is one of the highest levels ever recorded. We are all in agreement that that is unsustainable, is unsa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind all members that they should always speak through the chair.15:01
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind all members that they should always speak through the chair.15:01
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Our prison system is not working. Like so many other institutions, including our national health service and our schools, prisons reflect the society that th...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Our prison system is not working. Like so many other institutions, including our national health service and our schools, prisons reflect the society that th...
Mark Simpson (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark Simpson (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform
Will the member take an intervention?
Maggie Chapman Green
No, not just now.Prison reform should allow us to do the upstream work that we know will help people to avoid prison in the first place. The Scottish Governm...
Maggie Chapman Green
No, not just now.Prison reform should allow us to do the upstream work that we know will help people to avoid prison in the first place. The Scottish Governm...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that there should be no interruptions or interventions during a first speech. To make his first speech, and to move and speak to amendment S...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that there should be no interruptions or interventions during a first speech. To make his first speech, and to move and speak to amendment S...
James Adams (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am proud and honoured to have been elected to represent the north-east of Scotland, the area where I was born, grew up and still proudly call home. I am de...
James Adams (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am proud and honoured to have been elected to represent the north-east of Scotland, the area where I was born, grew up and still proudly call home. I am de...