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Meeting of the Parliament 24 June 2026 [Draft]

24 Jun 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Nuclear Power in Scotland

Costs are going up as a result of nuclear power. I also point to the delay, which, as Alan Brown rightly pointed out, is a challenge.

I should have finished what I was about to say. Liam Kerr and I are both proud to be members of the Scottish Parliament for the north-east. I congratulate Douglas Lumsden, but I would love to see him do a bit more down in Westminster for the energy sector than his party has managed to do so far. I also congratulate Lara Bird on her recent victory in a north-east constituency, where she managed to get five and a half times the size of majority that I had.

Stephen Kerr made a point about dogma and decline, but I struggle to accept that from a parliamentarian who backed Liz Truss and Boris Johnson. We must look at the reality, which is that renewables are where our future lies.

I want to reach as many members’ points as I possibly can. Paul Sweeney talked about the smaller plants, but they still have the same challenges with waste and cost. I point to France, which has nuclear plants that are struggling with weather constraints at the moment due to the heat. [Interruption.] I want to make progress, given the time, but I will try to swing back to the member later.

Tim Eagle talked about Dounreay and also the weather. I return to the challenges in France—for example, Saint-Alban on the Rhône is having challenges because of the weather.

Miles Briggs talked about parties getting entrenched. Yes, that can be the case, given that European security is such an important issue and the climate emergency is pivotal. However, I am glad that the Conservatives at least acknowledge the climate emergency. Miles Briggs comes from a party that has seen £400 billion from our oil and gas industry, but we are one of the few countries not to have a future generations fund as a result of oil and gas. Then there is the energy profits levy, and the transmission network use of system charge is also having a significant impact.

That takes me to David Green, whom I come to for two reasons. The first is the work on decommissioning at Dounreay, which he is right to highlight. I thank the workers there who are conducting that work, but the plant closed in 1994, and work is due to go on there until the 2070s—and full decontamination will take another 300 years. Therefore, there is plenty of work going on there, but maybe not for all the reasons that we want.

Secondly, just across the water, we see some issues around the west of Orkney in bringing those offshore wind farms on board, which David Green and his colleagues have highlighted. Hinkley took a long time—[Interruption.] I am going to conclude now. Hinkley was due to be completed in 2025, but we keep seeing that date going back.

The case is straightforward: Scotland wants to be part of the solution in relation to European energy security. Nuclear is wasteful and expensive, and given that we have so much potential in renewables, including exporting them, and there is such a massive market for our expertise and our resource, this Government continues to back that technology.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S7M-00258, in the name of Liam Kerr, on nuclear power in Scotland.Motion debated,That the P...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
In the years since I first contributed to a debate in this Parliament on new nuclear power in Scotland, four of the six parties in the chamber have come to s...
Alan Brown (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The member keeps talking about baseload. Does he realise that, as long ago as 2015, the then chief executive of National Grid said that baseload was an “outd...
Liam Kerr Con
For the member to stand up and say that baseload is an outdated concept is an extraordinary intervention. As I reminded him about three weeks ago, he does no...
Alan Brown (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate the member for securing the debate, which seems, in effect, to be on behalf of the trade body the Nuclear Industry Association. It will come a...
Liam Kerr Con
What the member has said is not true. As I said in my remarks, Hinkley Point C’s strike price is about £131 per megawatt hour, and the strike price for float...
Alan Brown SNP
The member is not listening to me. Okay—I said that the strike price was £130 for Hinkley Point C, and it is £131, so I stand corrected there.The strike pric...
Duncan Massey (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform
The member makes some good points about Hinkley Point C, but that probably highlights issues with the planning and regulatory regime in the UK, as is the cas...
Alan Brown SNP
I thought that the member would return to the South Korea example. Clearly, it had lower labour costs, material costs and so on, and a different regime. Howe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The member is already in additional time so he should not take any interventions.
Alan Brown SNP
Okay—thank you, Presiding Officer.Of course, it is undeniable that new nuclear will create jobs. Give me £400 billion and I could create jobs in marine energ...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Alan Brown says that nuclear is not clean energy. He should tell his beloved European Union that, because it has redesignated nuclear as green and clean. He ...
Alan Brown SNP
I will go back to the point about the reliability of nuclear power. Aside from the stat that I gave earlier—that nuclear is operational only 78 per cent of t...
Stephen Kerr Con
Alan Brown is again finding some spurious reason to deny the reality of the reliability of nuclear power. Yes, there may be bottlenecks in the transmission s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The member cannot take any further interventions.
Stephen Kerr Con
It is because France has determined to become truly independent in terms of energy sources, including nuclear, which is the backbone of its energy system.The...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that they must show courtesy and respect to other members at all times.18:19
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Liam Kerr, who is a member for North East Scotland, for lodging this motion for members’ business, which I was pleased to sign.Scotland gave the worl...
Michelle Campbell (Renfrewshire North and Cardonald) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Paul Sweeney Lab
Yes.
Michelle Campbell SNP
I point to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a serving councillor on Renfrewshire Council.The Scottish councils committee on radioactive subs...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Absolutely. Inevitably, existing nuclear reactors will have to be decommissioned. That is an important part of the sector. However, we need to look at how to...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Liam Kerr for securing the motion for debate. He has done a sterling job of representing the nuclear industry for many years. It was als...
Paul Sweeney Lab
The member might want to note the heritage of Dounreay, in his part of the world. The pioneering development there is to try to create a closed-loop zero-was...
Tim Eagle Con
I absolutely recognise that. The member has just taken me back to a tour that I was given of Dounreay, which was an experimental site—did it have fast reacto...
Miles Briggs (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to this debate on nuclear power in Scotland, and I congratulate my friend and colleague Liam Kerr on securing...
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD
I, too, congratulate Liam Kerr on securing the debate. As he knows, I share the concern, which has been echoed by Stephen Kerr, Paul Sweeney and Miles Briggs...
Paul Sweeney Lab
David Green makes an excellent point about Dounreay, but does he recognise that one of the key advantages of repowering existing sites is that they are alrea...
David Green LD
Yes, I absolutely agree with Paul Sweeney, and I will come on to talk about the connection between decommissioning and the opportunities for new nuclear ener...
Liam Kerr Con
I am very much enjoying David Green’s contribution. When I took an intervention earlier on decommissioning, which the member concerned was right to raise, it...