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Meeting of the Parliament 11 June 2026 [Last updated 19:16]

11 Jun 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
McKee, Ivan SNP Glasgow Easterhouse and Springburn Watch on SPTV

I will talk more about that in the course of my remarks, but, briefly, prevention is one of the four core principles of the Christie commission. When we published the public sector reform strategy last year, we also published an extensive document outlining all the preventative innovations that have been implemented. There are many of those and there is an extensive piece of work that backs up that approach and shows how the numbers stack up with regards to investment and return. As we take forward the budget process for 2027-28, we will implement a process of tagging spend so that, for the first time, we will know what is classed as preventative spending, at what level that prevention sits and what impact it is having.

Despite the progress that we have made, we recognise that we have not delivered the scale and pace of reform that is required. The public service reform strategy identified the systemic barriers that we face: siloed organisations, budgeting that supports structures but that is not always aligned to services and a culture that can be slow to change.

The strategy sets out the actions that we are taking to tackle those barriers. Those include very clearly setting out our expectations that public service leaders should focus on systems, not silos, and our intention to empower staff, service users and communities. We will reform the national performance framework and change our budget processes so that funds flow to where they can make the biggest impact rather than getting stuck in silos, and we will ensure that the workforce and communities are part of the reform process rather than reform being something that is done to them.

Public service reform is about the future of public services in Scotland—how we design them, deliver them and ensure that they meet the needs of the people they serve. It is about driving integration, simplification and collaboration. That means that we must be open to changing how our system fits together, where decisions are made and how investment takes place to deliver for people. In our first 100 days, we will lay out our plans for public service renewal and the bill that will follow.

We know the pressures that public services face—demographic change, rising demand, fiscal constraint, global uncertainty, increasing complexity of need and increasing expectations from the public that they serve. In last year’s medium-term financial strategy, we published our assessment of the scale of the fiscal challenge over the next five years, and in the fiscal sustainability delivery plan we set out the actions that we are taking to close that deficit. Nevertheless, without reform, those pressures will outstrip the resources that are available. The choice is clear: either we change how we deliver services or we risk being unable to sustain them. That is a risk that this Government is not willing to accept.

Public service reform is not just about the services of today; it is about stewardship and protecting public services for generations to come. We have to prevent problems before they start and not just respond when they reach a crisis point. Poverty, poor health and inequality are not inevitable. They are challenges that we can address earlier and more effectively, and when we do so, the benefits are profound, including better outcomes for people, stronger communities and reduced long-term pressure on services. That is why we are committed to focusing on prevention and expanding early intervention. Prevention is not just the right thing to do to improve lives; it is essential for long-term sustainability.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform: empowering staff, service users and local com...
The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service Reform (Ivan McKee) SNP
I am delighted to open this afternoon’s debate on public service reform, which I believe will be the defining task of this session of Parliament.Public servi...
Andrew Baxter (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD) LD
I am glad that the cabinet secretary has got on to talking about prevention, which was a central tenet of the Christie commission report. I listened to the c...
Ivan McKee SNP
I will talk more about that in the course of my remarks, but, briefly, prevention is one of the four core principles of the Christie commission. When we publ...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Con) Con
The Christie commission was established in 2011. We are talking about prevention, which was mentioned then, and about joined-up working, which was also menti...
Ivan McKee SNP
I do not know whether the member came into the debate late, but she should have heard the first part of my speech in which I listed a whole page of things th...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD
I agree with all of that, but it sounds as if the cabinet secretary is trying to run the whole of Government by himself. Can he give us an idea of how he is ...
Ivan McKee SNP
I thank the member for his comments. He can rest assured that all my Cabinet colleagues are 100 per cent on board with this important agenda and the First Mi...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak to the amendment in my name, in which we set out very clearly, as we did in the election campaign just a few short weeks ago, that Labo...
Michael Marra Lab
If the cabinet secretary wants to tell me that vision, I will gladly hear it right now.
Ivan McKee SNP
Michael Marra talks about fiscal sustainability being the driver. That is one aspect, of course; however, as I articulated in my opening remarks, the driver ...
Michael Marra Lab
I will say two things in response to that. First, I am sure that the cabinet secretary is a keen advocate for that, but I would believe him a bit more if we ...
Malcolm Offord (West Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I congratulate Ivan McKee on his appointment. His role could be the most interesting in the Parliament in the next five years; if he delivers on the targets ...
Willie Rennie LD
What Malcom Offord says is interesting. From his extensive experience as a Conservative minister in the UK Government, what can he teach members about reform...
Malcolm Offord Reform
I will be delighted to cover that, because there are some insights that I was able to glean when I was a minister in the UK Government. Those are part of the...
Ivan McKee SNP
The New Zealand example is instructive. The big difference is that, as a country of 5 million people, New Zealand is a normal independent country. It does no...
Malcolm Offord Reform
Of course, the response to that is that Scotland spends £117 billion but raises £87 billion in taxes, so there is a £30 billion structural deficit that is pa...
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green
Reforming our public services means making sure that they are sustainable for the long term. It also means ensuring that they are delivering what we need the...
Michael Marra Lab
It strikes me that that is precisely what Scottish Labour’s amendment describes. We must understand the shape of those public bodies, decide where there is d...
Lorna Slater Green
The Labour amendment specifically talks about cutting public bodies, but not about making sure that their remits do not overlap, which would involve changing...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP
I call Murdo Fraser, who joins us online.15:47
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I should explain that I am having to contribute remotely today due to a family issue; otherwise, I would be in the chamber.I welcome Ivan McKee to his new ro...
Ivan McKee SNP
I have been through this a number of times with Mr Fraser, but we will go back through it again for his benefit.First, what he calls the black hole is a proj...
Murdo Fraser Con
We will come on to waste in a moment—I have some suggestions to make in that regard—but I refer Mr McKee to today’s Accounts Commission report on local gover...
Ivan McKee SNP
Made a request to intervene.
Murdo Fraser Con
I will happily give way again if I get the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP
Cabinet secretary, I am afraid that Mr Fraser is in his last minute or so.
Murdo Fraser Con
Perhaps the cabinet secretary could respond to that point in his winding-up speech. I will cover a couple of other points quickly.Fourthly, we need to focus ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP
You must wind up, Mr Fraser.
Murdo Fraser Con
We want to see that black hole in the public finances closed. It needs to close. We need to hear the meat of the Government’s argument on what public service...