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Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2026 [Draft]

28 May 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Energy
Massey, Duncan Reform North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I welcome everyone to their new roles, including the ministers and shadow ministers.

I am delighted to rise to give my first speech. I believe that this Parliament and this Government need massive change, so I am encouraged by some of the talk of change that we have heard so far, especially the contributions from the Presiding Officer and his deputies. However, I remain concerned that real change will remain elusive and that this Parliament and, especially, this continuity Government remain out of touch, wholly self-satisfied and in a Marie Antoinette-like bubble. Nowhere is that more apparent than on energy policy. Energy reality simply does not seem to get past the outer walls here.

Scotland, the UK and, indeed, much of Europe face the simple reality that our energy system is not working. We have a fragile and overstretched grid that is struggling to deal with intermittent renewables, unable to cope with growth opportunities such as those from artificial intelligence and, increasingly, at risk of failure. We have a growing reliance on imported energy, particularly via French interconnectors and liquefied natural gas tankers, and we are destroying our own oil and gas industry, despite needing oil and gas for decades.

However, the main area of failure is the cost of our new energy system. We are facing an energy price crisis. Extremely high prices are hurting consumers and, perhaps most obviously, we have the highest industrial energy prices in the world, which are driving deindustrialisation. The damage from that is clear to see. Our primary steel industry across Scotland and the UK has nearly been lost. Industries including chemicals, pharmaceuticals and ceramics have all been hammered.

Across the board, manufacturing is at a huge disadvantage due to high costs. That is more obvious in Scotland, with the closures of the Grangemouth refinery, the Mossmorran plant and the Alexander Dennis bus factory in Falkirk.

Those problems are not caused by temporary gas price spikes; they are caused by net zero policies, particularly the overuse of expensive and intermittent renewables in the system—[Interruption.]

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00159, in the name of Stephen Gethins, entitled “It’s Scotland’s energy”. I invite members who wish to sp...
The Minister for Europe, External Affairs and Energy (Stephen Gethins) SNP
Deputy Presiding Officer, congratulations to you and your colleagues on your appointment. If you will permit me, before I get into the meat of the debate, I ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Stephen Gethins SNP
Do you know what? I will take an intervention, despite this being my first speech—and who better to take one from than Murdo Fraser?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind Mr Fraser that the convention is that there are no interventions on a first speech. However, the member has indicated that he is happy to take one.
Murdo Fraser Con
My apologies to you, Presiding Officer, and to the member. He was so confident in his approach that it had entirely slipped my mind that it was his first spe...
Stephen Gethins SNP
I have great respect for the member, and I thank him for both his intervention and his welcome. I urge him patience. I merely say this: Scotland is a massive...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Stephen Gethins SNP
I will give way for a second time, because I have great respect for the member.
Michael Marra Lab
I, too, welcome the minister to his position. I consider him a friend and am delighted to see him in his place.The minister spent the election campaign talki...
Stephen Gethins SNP
I have great respect for the member, and I thank him for his kind words. He is an advocate for the north-east and for Dundee. However, he must understand tha...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Stephen Gethins SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I call Daniel Johnson to speak to and move amendment S7M-00159.2.14:46
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and welcome you to your position.I begin on a friendly note by welcoming Stephen Gethins to his position. I hav...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP
Mr Johnson made a rather pejorative point about the difference between rhetoric and action. I am reminded of promises made by the Labour Party in the run-up ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The cabinet secretary seems to be enjoying the new rules about interventions. Is he not aware that there have been some major changes in international circum...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that the convention is that there should be no interventions during a first speech.14:52
Duncan Massey (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I welcome everyone to their new roles, including the ministers and shadow ministers.I am delighted to rise to give my first speech. I believe that this Parli...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that there should be no interruptions during first speeches. I appreciate that the minister took interventions, but there should still be no...
Duncan Massey Reform
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.As Professor Dieter Helm of the University of Oxford succinctly put it, renewables are“not cheap, not home-grown and not ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I call Lorna Slater to speak to and move amendment S7M-00159.3.15:03
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green
For a change of tone, the Scottish Greens believe that Scotland’s energy should be put in Scotland’s hands. We have long called for more powers for Scotland,...
Liam Kerr Con
The member does not, however, address the fact that demand is continuing to rise and is not going anywhere. Where do we source the gas and oil to meet the de...
Lorna Slater Green
We need to manage that demand. The Scottish Government should have kept its commitment to reduce traffic kilometres by 20 per cent. It should have introduced...
Duncan Massey Reform
Will the member take an intervention?
Lorna Slater Green
I am going to make some progress, thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
It is a matter for the member whether she chooses to take an intervention.
Lorna Slater Green
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Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?