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Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2026 [Draft]

28 May 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Energy

I have great respect for the member, and I thank him for both his intervention and his welcome. I urge him patience. I merely say this: Scotland is a massive exporter of energy; other markets rely on our energy and have done so for decades.

I am sorry to say so, but that speaks to the isolationist approach that has been taken by the Conservative Party, which turned its back on a Europe that is coming together on energy security. Isolationism is not a policy that our party—or a majority in this Parliament—will endorse. I will come on to that point.

In energy-rich Scotland, we are facing increasing energy bills. Just yesterday, the Labour Government, which had promised to reduce energy bills, put them up. We are a country that produces more energy than it consumes.

Mr Fraser will be delighted by this: for context, our oil and gas industry has sent £400 billion to the Treasury over decades, with very little in return and no long-term planning. Can members imagine that? We have a finite resource, but there is no long-term planning. We are one of the few countries on earth never to have put together a future generations fund. That is why Westminster has failed and why this place deserves to have full control over energy.

Renewables alone deliver 20.8 terawatt hours outside of Scotland annually. To put it into context, that net export is worth £1.7 billion and, if we kept the energy in Scotland, it would be enough to power every home in Scotland for three and a half years. [Stephen Gethins has corrected this contribution. See end of report.] That shows the value that it has to the rest of the UK and the whole of Europe when it comes to energy security.

Lower bills where that energy is produced should be part of the solution, but we have been let down. That is why decisions about energy should be made here. Westminster’s track record, be it under the Conservatives—or those former Conservatives—or under Labour, means that it no longer deserves to keep that control.

The disconnect between Scotland’s energy wealth and the daily reality that households face is not inevitable. We all talk—I have heard some fantastic speeches—about the conversations that have taken place over the past few weeks. It is a consequence of a constitutional arrangement that leaves decisions about Scotland’s energy in the hands of Westminster, which is delivering, in this energy-rich part of Europe, energy bills that are among the highest anywhere in Europe. That should be a challenge for all of us in this chamber.

The people of Scotland returned a Government with a clear instruction: deliver the benefits of Scotland’s energy wealth to Scottish households, communities and businesses. The First Minister set out that position and the electorate endorsed it.

Let us look more deeply into that. I am sure that members will all recall the polling evidence that came out last month during the election campaign. An Ipsos survey showed that more than three quarters of Scots think that there should be more devolution over energy, and that only 14 per cent think that it should remain under Westminster control, which would be the case under Labour, Reform and Conservative policies.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00159, in the name of Stephen Gethins, entitled “It’s Scotland’s energy”. I invite members who wish to sp...
The Minister for Europe, External Affairs and Energy (Stephen Gethins) SNP
Deputy Presiding Officer, congratulations to you and your colleagues on your appointment. If you will permit me, before I get into the meat of the debate, I ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Stephen Gethins SNP
Do you know what? I will take an intervention, despite this being my first speech—and who better to take one from than Murdo Fraser?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind Mr Fraser that the convention is that there are no interventions on a first speech. However, the member has indicated that he is happy to take one.
Murdo Fraser Con
My apologies to you, Presiding Officer, and to the member. He was so confident in his approach that it had entirely slipped my mind that it was his first spe...
Stephen Gethins SNP
I have great respect for the member, and I thank him for both his intervention and his welcome. I urge him patience. I merely say this: Scotland is a massive...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Stephen Gethins SNP
I will give way for a second time, because I have great respect for the member.
Michael Marra Lab
I, too, welcome the minister to his position. I consider him a friend and am delighted to see him in his place.The minister spent the election campaign talki...
Stephen Gethins SNP
I have great respect for the member, and I thank him for his kind words. He is an advocate for the north-east and for Dundee. However, he must understand tha...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Stephen Gethins SNP
I want to make some progress. I am not sure that I got a particularly good response from Mr Fraser.High energy bills might not matter to the Conservative Par...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I call Daniel Johnson to speak to and move amendment S7M-00159.2.14:46
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and welcome you to your position.I begin on a friendly note by welcoming Stephen Gethins to his position. I hav...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP
Mr Johnson made a rather pejorative point about the difference between rhetoric and action. I am reminded of promises made by the Labour Party in the run-up ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The cabinet secretary seems to be enjoying the new rules about interventions. Is he not aware that there have been some major changes in international circum...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that the convention is that there should be no interventions during a first speech.14:52
Duncan Massey (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I welcome everyone to their new roles, including the ministers and shadow ministers.I am delighted to rise to give my first speech. I believe that this Parli...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I remind members that there should be no interruptions during first speeches. I appreciate that the minister took interventions, but there should still be no...
Duncan Massey Reform
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.As Professor Dieter Helm of the University of Oxford succinctly put it, renewables are“not cheap, not home-grown and not ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I call Lorna Slater to speak to and move amendment S7M-00159.3.15:03
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green
For a change of tone, the Scottish Greens believe that Scotland’s energy should be put in Scotland’s hands. We have long called for more powers for Scotland,...
Liam Kerr Con
The member does not, however, address the fact that demand is continuing to rise and is not going anywhere. Where do we source the gas and oil to meet the de...
Lorna Slater Green
We need to manage that demand. The Scottish Government should have kept its commitment to reduce traffic kilometres by 20 per cent. It should have introduced...
Duncan Massey Reform
Will the member take an intervention?
Lorna Slater Green
I am going to make some progress, thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
It is a matter for the member whether she chooses to take an intervention.
Lorna Slater Green
In the previous session of Parliament, the Economy and Fair Work Committee heard over and over again that the cost of energy is the main concern for business...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?