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Meeting of the Parliament 04 June 2026 [Draft]

04 Jun 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Wealth Taxation for Public Services
Marra, Michael Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I would certainly have to differ with Mr McKee on some of the analysis. The demand on our public services is recognised. It is clear from many reports by the Scottish Fiscal Commission that demand on public services and the requirements on them in meeting, for example, the cost of climate change will continue to rise, not just over the course of the current parliamentary session but in the future. Given that we have an ageing population, we know that health spending is projected to continue to grow. The issue is a result partly of the demand that exists, as well as of the policy choices that Mr McKee and his Government colleagues have taken.

The Government needs to adopt a far more serious approach. If appointing the axe-master general to the Cabinet is how the Government intends to address the remaining 99.7 per cent of the gap, that will be ruinous for our public services. Mr Rennie identified the need to set out the balance in relation to spending, taxation and, crucially, growth when it comes to tackling the key issues.

Had Scottish Labour prevailed in the election, we would have undertaken an urgent process to set all of that right. Instead, the SNP won a handsome victory in May, but it is incumbent on it to honestly appraise the budget in a manner that it has failed to do for years. In three years out of the past four, we have had an emergency budget. We cannot find ourselves in that situation again.

I welcome the cabinet secretary’s commitment to report back on the status of the tax advisory group that was advising her predecessor in the Government. We must get the right balance between the taxing of income and the taxing of wealth, because there is a trade-off and tax cannot always be viewed as additional, despite the broad challenges that we face. What consideration will the Scottish Government give to the behavioural effects of the taxation policies that we are talking about today? It is crucial that the Government and the Parliament get the right advice on that.

In the spirit of collective endeavour, because we all have to put our shoulders to the wheel and get on with it, the Labour amendment asks the Government to be true to its word today. I believe that it will do so, which is welcome. The First Minister has committed to looking at business rates and addressing what business leaders know to be a broken system. He met Sir Tom Hunter on 14 May and personally promised him reform. This week, the First Minister further pledged to act on the fresh start campaign that is being mounted by The Courier, The Press and Journal and The Sunday Post to introduce rates relief from day 1 for those who take over a vacant property. That measure is proposed to discourage properties being left empty and to encourage business growth on high streets in towns and cities, and I think that we all agree that we need action in those areas.

However, Labour believes that that must be seen in the round as part of a comprehensive review of business rates, so that we use them to encourage growth, not as a punitive measure. All of our inboxes are already beginning to groan with messages from people who are suffering as a result of rates revaluation. I sincerely hope that the Parliament as a whole can back Labour’s call to get that under way.

Scottish Labour also wants to see immediate action on council tax reform. If that is ever to be done, it surely has to happen now, at the start of this parliamentary session, given that political constraints always seem to present themselves later. I was elected in 2021 and, in my five years in the Parliament, I have become tired of obfuscation and excuses, of reports being commissioned and then shelved and of the dancing on the heads of pins with the language of consensus when what is required is good leadership and a solid majority in the Parliament. The Government must step up. If it does, we will be partners in trying to find a solution.

The SNP’s 20-year failure to reform council tax is a big part of why our local communities are shadows of their former selves, why our streets are so dirty, why young teachers are flying off to Australia to look for work for want of permanent contracts and why councils are wracked with conflict between workers who are being asked to deliver the impossible and managers who are being asked to pretend that the impossible has been achieved. Let us start this session with an openness to finding a solution.

It is on that basis that we lodged our amendment, and I hope that the whole Parliament will vote for it. I move amendment S7M-00249.4, to insert at end:

“; notes that the Scottish Government’s Medium Term Financial Strategy, published in June 2025, projected a funding gap of over £4.7 billion by 2029-30; considers that developing a sustainable plan to close this gap is essential to Scotland’s public services and that it is incumbent on all parties in the Parliament to work towards this goal; believes that, to this end, the Scottish Government should take a strategic approach across all devolved taxation in Scotland to include an immediate and comprehensive review of business rates, including consideration of measures such as widening the scope of Fresh Start relief to include businesses that occupy an empty unit within six months of the unit becoming vacant, and further believes that the Scottish Government should convene cross-party talks on council tax reform immediately.”

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