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Meeting of the Parliament 27 May 2026 [Draft]

27 May 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Childcare

I am humbled and proud to be here to serve the residents of North East Scotland. I thank my helpers, family and friends, and the people on the doorsteps who remember the good days of Mike Rumbles, Nicol Stephen, Alison McInnes and—certainly—Robert and Malcolm.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats are back in North East Scotland. I can hardly believe that I have the ability to be there alongside the residents, to work for them, and to work with their businesses, educational institutions, industry and third sector.

One topic that, more than anything, makes me want to help people as fast as possible to have better and fairer lives is the one that we are debating today: childcare. Colleagues are all aware that the United Kingdom has the highest childcare costs in Europe. That is one reason why our economy is not progressing in the way that it should be. When parents have to stop working, reduce their hours or take a step back in their careers, that is not right. It is not right that they are only able to work at certain hours and times and must fit childcare around the hours that their jobs demand. Many parents wait three years between having children in order to afford the childcare. Some do night shifts and weekends shifts, and take turns to cover their childcare. Some have to move closer to their relatives or make their relatives move closer to them.

When the SNP manifesto landed, I was surprised that there was a promise of free childcare and support for childcare for children from nine months onward. Maybe I was a bit delighted, because it is something that I had wanted to see for a long time. However, I also wondered why it took the SNP so long to see the cost of childcare as a Munro in the achievement of a fairer society and in helping to grow our economy. Colleagues, the SNP has had 19 years in government. The babies who were born when the SNP arrived in power can have babies of their own now.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats’ goals do not seem as fancy and affordable as that. That is because we budgeted the cost of our manifesto promises. In my ward, the average cost of childcare from 8 am to 5 pm, five days a week—outside the 1,140 hours—is around £1,750, so I question the budget that has been tabled to cover that childcare from the age of nine months.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats know that it is nearly impossible to deliver free breakfast clubs in a rural region. Any members who have worked in a rural council will know that. We know that help with childcare needs to be serious and fair and must help parents to work or to go back to work.

As a councillor in one of the most underfunded council areas, I know that decisions that we make here in Holyrood cascade down to local government, but it is unfair for underfunded councils to have to meet the costs of delivering those decisions, which increases the risk—depending on where in Scotland people live—of already overstretched localities having to find savings elsewhere.

Scottish Liberal Democrats recognise that such promises must be followed by the funding to deliver them, and we will fight for all hard-working families and their support networks, which include grandparents, friends and nurseries, to be able—finally—to achieve their choice in life and to feel that they are treated with fairness and equality.

16:30

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00128, in the name of Màiri McAllan, on expanding childcare. I invite members who wish to speak in the de...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education, Culture and Gaelic (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I am delighted to open the debate for the Government on the important topic of early learning and childcare and the Government’s plans to transform provision...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD
I echo that appreciation for the work that those early learning and childcare professionals do. However, if the cabinet secretary believes that, will she fin...
Màiri McAllan SNP
When it comes to pay, I am proud that Scotland is the only part of the United Kingdom that, through its funding for early learning and childcare, creates the...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Did I understand correctly that the cabinet secretary said that the lack of parity that Willie Rennie identified, which she has acknowledged, will be address...
Màiri McAllan SNP
We are in the early days of a significant expansion project. I say to the chamber that I am open minded about learning with regard to the delivery of 1,140 h...
Willie Rennie LD
The difficulty is that the cabinet secretary’s predecessors have been open minded for years about the issue and we have not made any progress. We need more t...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I do not think that it is realistic to say that progress has not been made. In my first response to Willie Rennie, I noted that Scotland is the only place in...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Con) Con
The Scottish Government announced in 2023 that it would expand funded childcare from nine months onwards. What progress has been made since that promise?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I was going to come to that later, but I will address it now. I will talk about some of the work that we have been doing in our priority communities. We have...
Victor Currie (Highlands and Islands) (Reform) Reform
The previous expansion to 1,140 hours, which the cabinet secretary has mentioned a few times, required an additional 4,000 full-time equivalent staff. If the...
Màiri McAllan SNP
The member is absolutely right to point out the importance of the workforce. The workforce, which consists mainly of women, is the single most important fact...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way on that point?
Màiri McAllan SNP
Will I get the time back, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes.
Màiri McAllan SNP
I will, of course, give way.
Stephen Kerr Con
I want to follow up on the previous question and what the cabinet secretary has just said. What are the Government’s estimates on the number of additional st...
Màiri McAllan SNP
In our manifesto, we set out an estimate of about £500 million. However, the Government is in the early days of developing the policy, so the estimates on co...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I call Katherine Sangster to speak to and move amendment S7M-00128.2. I remind members that this is Katherine Sangster’s first ...
Katherine Sangster (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab) Lab
It is a huge privilege to make my maiden speech as Scottish Labour and Co-operative MSP for Edinburgh and Lothians East. I thank the voters across our commun...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Every child deserves the best possible start in life. Every parent deserves the chance to work, study, rest or simply breathe without the crushing anxiety of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I call Meghan Gallacher to speak to and move amendment S7M-00128.4.
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome you to your post. I also welcome the cabinet secretary to her post.I will begin on a point of consensus with the Scot...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I hear Meghan Gallacher’s points about delivery and public trust. I take the opportunity, early in the development of the policy, to acknowledge the importan...
Meghan Gallacher Con
I said right at the start that I believe in expanding childcare. Later in my contribution, I will speak about what I believe it should be expanded to, but I ...
Stephen Kerr Con
Would the member go as far as to say that, unless the disparity in funding is properly tackled now, the expansion, which we all support, will fail?
Meghan Gallacher Con
When I entered the Parliament in 2021, one of the first issues that came across my desk was that the PVI sector did not feel part of the overall 1,140-hour p...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD
I will begin where Meghan Gallacher and Stephen Kerr finished. We need to get the fundamentals of the provision of ELC in Scotland right before we look to ex...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
I call Angela Ross to make her first speech.15:16
Angela Ross (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Reform) Reform
I, too, congratulate the cabinet secretary on her appointment.As this is my first speech, I thank the voters of Edinburgh and Lothians East, who have put the...