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Meeting of the Parliament 21 May 2026 [Draft]

21 May 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ministers and Junior Ministers
Gallacher, Meghan Con Central Scot and Lothians West Watch on SPTV

It appears that John Swinney’s Government has been on the Mounjaro, because it is slimmed down in size, but it somehow carries all the same political baggage. To judge by some of yesterday’s appointments, the First Minister clearly knows how to recycle. We now have a Government in which the Cabinet looks exhausted already, and it has not even delivered its first programme for government. No matter how busy some of our cabinet secretaries might get—Màiri McAllan included—I am sure that they will always make time for calls from world leaders who are looking for advice on how not to run a country.

The Government talks a big game. It has somehow promised more spending, more subsidies, more childcare expansion, supermarket price controls, more quangos and more intervention—all while still claiming that it can deliver net zero on time and on budget. It acts like it has a magic money tree in the back garden at Bute house only for the new Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government to discover that the roots have rotted away.

During the election campaign, the Scottish National Party treated the Scottish public to a never-ending parade of gimmicks and giveaways—free this, cap this, ban this and subsidise that. Every problem in Scotland was apparently to be solved by another taxpayer-funded announcement and another glossy press release. However, reality has now arrived. Hidden under all those grand promises is a financial black hole that is estimated to be around £5 billion. The uncomfortable truth for SNP members is that they cannot endlessly announce Scandinavian levels of spending while delivering a Scottish level of economic growth. At some point, someone has to do the sums.

That task now appears to have fallen to Ivan McKee, although I am not entirely sure that “Cabinet Secretary for Public Sector Reform” is the correct title. Throughout the election campaign, the Scottish Conservatives consistently pointed out that the SNP’s sums just do not add up. Now, we have a minister for cuts—perhaps more appropriately, and as he might become known over time, Ivan the Terrible—who will instil fear across Government departments as he bursts through the door, swinging an axe and looking for cuts in every nook and cranny that he can possibly find. The nationalists have promised more spending without saying where that money is coming from, which means that tax rises or spending cuts—or, indeed, a combination of both—are on the way.

I welcome Stephen Flynn to the chamber. Can I just check with him whether he managed to get through the security gates okay this morning? It seems like the doors at Bute house can be tricky to open, but it is good to get some practice in, isn’t it? Perhaps the First Minister was trying to keep him out for as long as possible, because—let us be honest—everyone knows why Stephen Flynn is truly here. He is certainly not visiting Holyrood for its architecture.

On a sincere note, I wish all cabinet secretaries and ministers the best in their new positions. Despite all the jokes that we will probably hear over the next few minutes, there are serious responsibilities at a serious time for Scotland.

That brings me to the amendment in my name on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. Members from across the parties will remember the debates in the previous session regarding the impact of gulls on communities throughout Scotland. Nobody pursued that issue more persistently than Douglas Ross, who stood up for his constituents and repeatedly pressed the Government on what action it intended to take regarding the growing gull population. Nobody expected the extraordinary behaviour that Jamie Hepburn displayed during those exchanges.

We all accept that Parliament is a place for robust debate, but business managers have a particular responsibility to maintain working relationships across the chamber. Their job is to lower the temperature, not to raise it, and to build consensus, not to fuel confrontation. During the altercation involving Douglas Ross and Jamie Hepburn, we saw behaviour that was entirely unbecoming of someone entrusted with that responsibility. If someone demonstrates that they cannot control their temper during tense parliamentary exchanges, they should not be handed the responsibility of negotiating sensitive parliamentary business again a few months later.

The First Minister should know that it is wrong to reappoint Jamie Hepburn as business manager, because it sends completely the wrong message about standards, accountability and behaviour in the Government. Therefore, I urge all members to vote against that appointment at decision time.

I move amendment S7M-00109.1, to leave out “Jamie Hepburn,”.

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The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA
Good afternoon, everyone. The first item of business is consideration of motions S7M-00108 and S7M-00109, in the name of John Swinney, on the appointment of ...
The First Minister (John Swinney) SNP
Before I turn to the substance of the motions, I will recognise those members of the previous Government who are leaving office. Former Deputy First Minister...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, First Minister. I call Meghan Gallacher to speak to and move amendment S7M-00109.1. You have up to five minutes.14:40
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The Presiding Officer NPA
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The First Minister SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
I will now put today’s questions to the vote. The first question is, that motion S7M-00108, in the name of John Swinney, on the First Minister’s appointment ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.15:11Meeting suspended.15:17On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA
We come to the vote on motion S7M-00108, in the name of John Swinney, on the First Minister’s appointment of Scottish ministers. Members should cast their vo...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen and Cambuslang) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to access the voting app. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. Your vote will be recorded.
Kim Schmulian (Glasgow) (Reform) Reform
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to access the voting app. I would have abstained.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. Your vote will be recorded.
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothia...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on motion S7M-00108, in the name of John Swinney, on the First Minister’s appointment of Scottish ministers, is: For 84, Against 0...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00109.1, in the name of Meghan Gallacher, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00109, in the name of John Swinney, on the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
Clare Haughey SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to access the voting app. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. Your vote will be recorded.
Kim Schmulian Reform
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to access the voting app. I would have abstained.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. Your vote will be recorded.
ForBriggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Burnett, Alexander (Aberdeenshire West) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)Findlay, Ru...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00109.1, in the name of Meghan Gallacher, is: For 11, Against 71, Abstentions 43.Amendment disagreed to.