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Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2026 [Draft]

25 Mar 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mobile Phone Use in Schools (Ban)
Kerr, Stephen Con Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

Who, on the Conservative benches, says that we cannot occasionally agree with Willie Rennie? I agree with him about the use of old technology—books. It would be a great idea to have books in our classrooms and homes again. I hope that it catches on, and I hope that this new-old technology thing takes off in a big way. I love books.

I agree with Brian Whittle about banning things. I am incredibly reluctant to talk about banning anything, because I am afraid that Parliament’s reputation is that if it is not taxing things, it is banning them. Frankly, I do not think that that enhances the reputation of our Parliament. However, there are some situations in which we need to take cognisance of the realities in relation to the power of new technology—and it is a power. Brian Whittle is right when he says that we need to teach each other and the rising younger generations about the power of new technology—how to harness it and use it to our benefit. That, as ever, was a useful contribution from Brian Whittle. Inevitably, he introduced the world of sport, too.

However, this is no longer a debate about preference or guidance; it is about whether we are prepared to act in the face of clear and growing evidence that mobile phones are damaging the learning environment in our schools. In Scotland, we have chosen to rely on local discretion. That may sound sensible, and I understand the attraction of that course of action, but, in practice, it has meant inconsistency, uncertainty and not nearly enough backing for teachers on the ground.

Meanwhile, the situation in classrooms has moved on. Scottish Government research identifies mobile phones as a significant and growing source of disruption. Teachers are dealing with constant interruptions, fractured attention and time lost to managing behaviour that should not be an issue in the first place. That matters, because every moment lost to distraction is a moment taken away from learning. Standards do not slip overnight; they erode gradually, lesson by lesson, when focus is no longer protected.

Let us be clear about what we are asking schools to compete with. Phones are not neutral tools; they are devices designed to capture our attention. I do not need to tell MSPs about the captivating powers of a mobile phone, which we see at every moment in the chamber. Douglas Lumsden just put his phone down, which is a very good thing. They are designed to interrupt and keep young people—in fact, any people—engaged elsewhere. It is simply not reasonable to expect teachers to win that battle on their own.

Other countries have recognised that and have acted decisively. Across Europe and beyond, national restrictions are now commonplace. Where phones have been removed from the school day, the results are consistent: improved focus, calmer classrooms and better behaviour. We can see the same in Scotland in places where schools and councils have taken firm action.

Ministers know that there is a problem—I have heard the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills speak on the subject. They say so, but, for some strange reason, they have chosen not to act in a national direction. The question is straightforward: do we continue with the fragmented approach that leaves teachers to carry the burden, or do we provide the clarity, authority and back-up that a national position would bring? A Scotland-wide ban, with clear and sensible exemptions—because they will need to exist—would do exactly that. It would set a consistent standard and back our teachers. It would restore the classroom as a place where attention is given to learning, not to a screen for some other purpose. This is about leadership, standards and whether we are serious about giving every child the environment that they need to succeed. The case is made and the evidence is there. The time to act is now.

If this is to be my last contribution in the Scottish Parliament, I am delighted that it was on a subject that will matter so much to the future of our country.

13:35

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-20881, in the name of Pam Gosal, on a Scotland-wide ban on the use of mobile phones in ...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to deliver one of the final members’ business debates of this parliamentary session on a very important subject. Before I start, I would like to...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the member for hosting the round-table event that she has described, which I attended. She is quite right to frame the issue in a public hea...
Pam Gosal Con
I absolutely agree, and the member will hear later in my speech that the Scottish Conservatives will introduce legislation to address that point in the next ...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I thank Pam Gosal for securing this debate on a Scotland-wide ban on the use of mobile phones in schools, and I congratulate her on her powerful and comprehe...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank my friend and colleague Pam Gosal for securing the debate and for the work that she has carried out on domestic abuse during the five years that she ...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to contribute to the debate, and in doing so, I thank Pam Gosal for bringing the issue to the chamber, and I wish her well. Pam was one of the f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Thank you, Mr O’Kane, for your kind words.13:15
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In following that fine contribution, I, too, pay tribute to Audrey Nicoll. I have always genuinely enjoyed listening to her contributions, especially given t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Hear, hear.
Willie Rennie LD
We have looked at the issue of mobile phones, and I have been clear about the damaging effects that I think that they have in the classroom. However, we need...
Pam Gosal Con
The member says that we should take our time, but the problems are happening right now and we need to act now. As I said in my speech, there is already so mu...
Willie Rennie LD
I do think we should do that, but this debate has been quite narrowly about mobile phones when I think that we need to look at all the digital tools that we ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
This extremely important subject is more pressing than many of the things that we debate in Parliament, and I thank Pam Gosal for bringing it to the chamber....
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Pam Gosal not only for bringing this important debate to the chamber, but for telling me what I need to speak about for the next four mi...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Who, on the Conservative benches, says that we cannot occasionally agree with Willie Rennie? I agree with him about the use of old technology—books. It would...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Pam Gosal for bringing this debate to Parliament and for sponsoring the recent round-table discussion on the topic, which I was pleased to attend, al...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I believe that the cabinet secretary has found common ground with the consensus that is emerging in this debate. However, does she recognise that an act of t...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I very much recognise Mr Cole-Hamilton’s point, which is reflective of a growing ask from Parliament for more national direction. We saw that only yesterday ...
Pam Gosal Con
I have been speaking to the councils in my West Scotland region, and one of the things that they asked for when I brought up the subject was clear direction—...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I remind the member to always speak through the chair.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I remind Pam Gosal that the foreword from me at the front of the national guidance document makes it very clear that any headteacher will have my backing as ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Cabinet secretary, I appreciate that you are trying to respond to everybody, but I am conscious of the next debate and of the fact that all the members are h...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I apologise. However, I want to pay tribute to you, too, for your service to the people of Cowdenbeath. Laughter. I shared Mr Rennie’s smile as you advocated...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
That concludes the debate. There will be a short pause before we move on to the next item of business.