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Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2026 [Draft]

25 Mar 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mobile Phone Use in Schools (Ban)

I thank my colleague Pam Gosal not only for bringing this important debate to the chamber, but for telling me what I need to speak about for the next four minutes.

We are all very aware of the significant impact on health that the use of social media and smartphones can have, especially on our youngsters’ brain development. One thing that I want to talk about, which has not been spoken about yet, is how we engage with youths to make them part of the decision making. Youth organisations consistently say that decision makers must include young people in conversations about safe social media use and support them to participate meaningfully in the digital world and with new emerging technologies.

I was speaking with a girl guide leader—let us call her Kaley from my office—who told me that leaders and girls in her unit create rules together, including rules on mobile phones. In her unit, the girls unanimously voted to ban phones during the unit meetings, and she told me that that has been replicated across the other units that she knows.

We are very good at banning things and taking things away from youths without involving them in those decisions. I also think that what we are talking about doing in this debate is not too far removed from what the youth of today want themselves. It is interesting that the girls attitudes survey carried out by Girlguiding UK in 2025 found that girls are restricting their online activity in order to protect themselves, with more than a third of respondents reporting that they avoid using certain apps and platforms in order to protect themselves. More than two fifths of the young people surveyed think that more needs to be done to ensure that they are safe online. Girls are disproportionately affected, with over a third of 11 to 21-year-old girls saying that

“they often feel depressed after spending time on social media.”

To put the issue in context, we have to understand that those who were born in the early 2000s will never have known a life without social media. Those who were born from the 2010s onwards will never have known a life without smartphones. Speaking as somebody who got his first mobile phone—a brick of a thing—at the age of 32, I find that quite astonishing.

It is important that pupils have the opportunity to put their phones down in school, but also important is what happens outside school. We must remember that children have access to smartphones and social media when the school day is over. What are we doing to educate them on their safe usage, to model positive behaviour and to discourage misogyny online?

I talked about what I learned from a girl guides leader, which was about activities that they have decided they will put their phones down for. It would not be a speech by me, Deputy Presiding Officer, if I did not slide sport into it. I have never known of, nor ever seen, somebody dribbling a basketball down a basketball court while scrolling through social media. I have never seen anybody play piano while scrolling through social media. It is not just about what we want to limit in terms of mobile phone usage, but about what we are offering as an alternative to encourage young people into other activities.

It is also not necessarily just our children we need to persuade; we also need to persuade parents that it is a good idea. It used to be that, when parents wanted to contact their children at school, they phoned the office. If children wanted to contact their parents, they, too, did so through the office. We need to consider all of that in the round.

It is not like me to agree with Willie Rennie on much, but on this issue I do. If we are going to restrict or ban mobile phones in schools, which I fully support, we must ensure that other things are available to our children that take their attention away from their phones.

13:30

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-20881, in the name of Pam Gosal, on a Scotland-wide ban on the use of mobile phones in ...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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Pam Gosal Con
I absolutely agree, and the member will hear later in my speech that the Scottish Conservatives will introduce legislation to address that point in the next ...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
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Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Thank you, Mr O’Kane, for your kind words.13:15
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In following that fine contribution, I, too, pay tribute to Audrey Nicoll. I have always genuinely enjoyed listening to her contributions, especially given t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Hear, hear.
Willie Rennie LD
We have looked at the issue of mobile phones, and I have been clear about the damaging effects that I think that they have in the classroom. However, we need...
Pam Gosal Con
The member says that we should take our time, but the problems are happening right now and we need to act now. As I said in my speech, there is already so mu...
Willie Rennie LD
I do think we should do that, but this debate has been quite narrowly about mobile phones when I think that we need to look at all the digital tools that we ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
This extremely important subject is more pressing than many of the things that we debate in Parliament, and I thank Pam Gosal for bringing it to the chamber....
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Pam Gosal not only for bringing this important debate to the chamber, but for telling me what I need to speak about for the next four mi...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Who, on the Conservative benches, says that we cannot occasionally agree with Willie Rennie? I agree with him about the use of old technology—books. It would...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Pam Gosal for bringing this debate to Parliament and for sponsoring the recent round-table discussion on the topic, which I was pleased to attend, al...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I believe that the cabinet secretary has found common ground with the consensus that is emerging in this debate. However, does she recognise that an act of t...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I very much recognise Mr Cole-Hamilton’s point, which is reflective of a growing ask from Parliament for more national direction. We saw that only yesterday ...
Pam Gosal Con
I have been speaking to the councils in my West Scotland region, and one of the things that they asked for when I brought up the subject was clear direction—...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I remind the member to always speak through the chair.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I remind Pam Gosal that the foreword from me at the front of the national guidance document makes it very clear that any headteacher will have my backing as ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Cabinet secretary, I appreciate that you are trying to respond to everybody, but I am conscious of the next debate and of the fact that all the members are h...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I apologise. However, I want to pay tribute to you, too, for your service to the people of Cowdenbeath. Laughter. I shared Mr Rennie’s smile as you advocated...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
That concludes the debate. There will be a short pause before we move on to the next item of business.