Committee
Education, Children and Young People Committee 18 March 2026 [Draft]
18 Mar 2026 · S6 · Education, Children and Young People Committee
Item of business
Community Sporting Initiatives for Children and Young People
Mark Williams
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It obviously very different for us because we are not part of the SFA or have a football club connection. Obviously Denis Law has a huge connection there but we are not associated with the clubs, for example. We work closely with Aberdeen and Cove Rangers but not in the work kind of way. However we are part of quite similar networks.There are a couple of United Kingdom-wide networks and StreetGames is probably one of the biggest. We are one of the only Scottish members. Its work is similar to ours. That is quite useful because we can compare the work that we are doing to what is happening down south. A good example is that their programmes that work with disadvantaged children currently have an average of around 20 per cent female participation, and ours is 40 per cent. So, we know that we are doing something different up in the north-east that is completely separate to what is happening down south and it is working very well.We are very much youth delivered. We have our youth forum, which directs what we do. Every single programme that we do is created by ourselves and the young people. We do not take something off the shelf from another organisation, for example, and try to implement it because it probably will not work in our city. We have learned that through our employability programmes. We might think that a six-week programme sounds great, but it will work for only one or two people, not for 10, and there will be dropout. If we can create our own programme using young people, we will have a different impact. Our numbers have been so good because we involve young people throughout and it is tailored exactly the way they want it.Denis Law’s academy currently has a 100 per cent record of young people who have dropped out of school either staying longer at school, moving into college or further or higher education or moving into apprenticeships or work. That is unheard of in other organisations like ours that are part of the network down south, but that is because the programmes are done on behalf of the young people. Everyone’s journey is different. One set programme does not work for every child in the same way as the school curriculum does not work for every child. We have to tailor it because every positive destination, whatever it might be, is different for young people.It is hard because funding is tight. We cannot just throw money at more staff to do more people. We have to be savvy and make it stretch. It is key that it is done that way. What is the point in hiring more hands and more staff just to water down what we are doing?Numbers are important, however. Earlier, I mentioned the 30,000 young people that we engaged with last year. My answer to my team after that was, “So what?” What does 30,000 actually mean? What is the difference in those 30,000 people? That is the thing that we should be tailoring programmes to. We have some great funders who give us a nice cheque and then they disappear and come back a year later and ask what we spent it on and how many people we engaged with. I do not like that. I want connection with a funder. I want them to know the difference that they are making.We are talking about future plans and how the Denis Law Legacy Trust is going to be. We are going to be much more story-based. Little things can have a ripple effect and that is how we shape ourselves and how we fit in that way.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Douglas Ross)
Con
Good morning, and welcome to the 11th meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2026. This morning, we will be taking evidence on comm...
Mark Williams (Denis Law Legacy Trust)
Thank you for inviting me to the committee. I am from the Denis Law Legacy Trust, which is a small children’s charity that is based in Aberdeen. We specialis...
The Convener
Con
That is excellent. That is the type of information that we want, so we are grateful for that evidence. Ms McCulloch, we come to you.
Debbi McCulloch (Spartans Community Foundation)
Thank you for inviting me along this morning. I have worked at the Spartans Community Foundation since 2009. We opened our doors in north Edinburgh in Decemb...
The Convener
Con
Please do not apologise. It is very inspiring to hear what you both are speaking about. My next question is on what you are doing in your localities. What is...
Mark Williams
It obviously very different for us because we are not part of the SFA or have a football club connection. Obviously Denis Law has a huge connection there but...
Debbi McCulloch
Numerous clubs across Scotland are doing fantastic work through their foundations in similar areas as us—Falkirk, Hibs, Hearts, Morton, to name a few.First, ...
The Convener
Con
That gives us a good start and takes us in the direction that a lot of fellow committee members’ questions will follow.
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
SNP
Good morning. Thank you very much for taking the time to come along. As the Aberdeen Donside MSP, I absolutely know the benefits that the Denis Law Legacy Tr...
Debbi McCulloch
Last year, we asked young people who access our youth work programmes whether they felt that they had a trusted adult at Spartans, and 94 per cent of them sa...
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
Do you mean in Spartans or outwith it?
Debbi McCulloch
With regard to the employment opportunities?
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
Yes.
Debbi McCulloch
Definitely in Spartans. We have employment and volunteering opportunities, and young people who have started with us at nine years old are now near enough 25...
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
I put the same question to Mark.
Mark Williams
Ours is a different model, but it has similar outcomes. Sport and creative activity are our main hook—they are the gateway to engagement. What some people ca...
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
Your volunteers are absolutely key to everything that you do. How many of your volunteers attended your sessions as bairns and have come back?
Mark Williams
I love that question. Volunteers are the spine of our organisation, as they are with most voluntary organisations. They are massively important. We spent a l...
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
I will be honest—I did not expect the figure to be 60 per cent. That is a large number. I often see on your Facebook page pictures of certificates being hand...
Mark Williams
I think that, last year, it was just under 5,000, which is a huge number. We do employ a volunteer officer, because, when it comes to volunteers, what we cal...
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
Okay, thank you. Debbi, do you want to comment?
Debbi McCulloch
Last year, our organisation was awarded the King’s award for voluntary services. The majority of our volunteers are involved in the football club side of thi...
Jackie Dunbar
SNP
I believe in bigging up successes. That is why I was asking.
Debbi McCulloch
More than 150 girls and 400 boys play at the club on a regular basis. Those teams would not go ahead, and that level of physical activity, social engagement ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD)
LD
I visited the Community Trade Hub in Leven recently. Debbi, you were talking about the way that you treat young people and the relationship that you have wit...
Debbi McCulloch
The alternative school model is for children who will not really be attending school outwith that. They have the opportunity to come to Spartans for two and ...
Willie Rennie
LD
The second point was about funding. The Community Trade Hub seems to be able to scrape together different pockets of money, mostly pupil equity funding, but ...
Debbi McCulloch
Yes: it will be PEF, as well as strategic equity funding—SEF. It is very much up to the schools how they distribute that.Our senior alternative school costs ...
Mark Williams
Your first question was about increased attendance. We wanted that to happen, which was why we introduced Denis Law’s academy. We wanted young people to feel...
Willie Rennie
LD
Do you both feel that your operations are properly evaluated by the local authorities and that that is accepted by their leadership as being properly validat...