Committee
Public Audit Committee 17 March 2026 [Draft]
17 Mar 2026 · S6 · Public Audit Committee
Item of business
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
Dr Stephen Pathirana (Scottish Public Pensions Agency)
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Thank you, convener. Good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to engage with the committee on the SPPA’s progress to deliver the McCloud remedy, following the publication of Audit Scotland’s section 22 report. We welcome Audit Scotland’s unqualified opinion of our accounts and the recommendations in the annual audit report. We continue to work constructively with Audit Scotland as we address all areas for improvement.I would like to start by reiterating the apology that I made to members, when I appeared before the Finance and Public Administration Committee in December, for the delays in delivering remedy. We have always sought to give accurate information to our members and, with the best possible intentions, shared estimated timelines based on our knowledge at the time. Knowing what we know now, I wish that we had communicated better earlier. I am sure that other pension administrators feel the same way. We recognise that transparency must accompany delivery in order for members to have confidence in the agency, and we continue to report openly on progress.I would like to express my on-going gratitude to our pension scheme members for their continued patience as we work to achieve the outcome that we all want, which is for everyone who is eligible to have been offered their remedy choice, made their choice and seen that reflected in their payments. Members have still been able to retire and receive their full pension based on the rules in place at the time. In fact, we estimate that more than 70 per cent of retired members are already on the scheme that is most advantageous to them.As I said to the Finance and Public Administration Committee earlier this morning, there was a collective underestimation of the scale and complexity of this project. Our pension scheme provider, along with others in the United Kingdom, was unable to provide us with technical solutions for remedy. To make the dual retrospective calculations needed to issue choice letters to approximately a third of our 600,000 members, we have had to develop our own solutions. Through advances in our pilot approaches in the police pension scheme, we have achieved economies of scale that are benefiting the pension schemes for firefighters, national health service staff and teachers. For example, we have cut the processing times for basic NHS pensions from two hours to under half an hour through a new calculation module.In fact, we have made significant progress in delivering digital transformation over the past 12 months. Our on-going investment in people and information technology will help to deliver remedy and raise service levels for members in the future. We have digitised employer data for police and fire schemes, and we are now actively on-boarding the teacher scheme, with full digitisation expected by the end of 2027. We have launched a new member portal—Engage—across all four schemes. Functionality is evolving, and the portal will give instant access to a range of self-service options, pensions information and historical documentation and scheme guidance. We have released online pension modellers for police and NHS pension members, offering instant remedy-compliant pensions projections. The development of the teachers pension modeller is in progress.As we look to the future, we are committed to completing remedy and investing in the IT and data management services that are required to deliver to members the service that they are entitled to expect from a modern pensions administrator. I am confident that we have the right governance structures in place to support that journey. Our management advisory board, audit and risk committee and scheme-specific pensions boards all support us in delivering our work and ensure that we meet our statutory obligations.We are delighted with the progress that we are making under our new audit and risk committee chair, Mark Tarry, who brings 20 years’ experience of executive leadership in the rail industry, and with the success of our recent recruitment process for our management advisory board, which included welcoming Paul Gray, who, with more than 40 years’ experience in the Scottish Government, needs no introduction to members of this committee.That is in addition, of course, to the direct support and oversight from the Scottish Government, and I am delighted to appear alongside Lesley Fraser, director general corporate, who is the SPPA sponsor. We both look forward to answering any questions that you might have.
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The Convener
Lab
Our principal agenda item is consideration of the section 22 report, “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”. From the SPPA, I welcome Dr ...
Dr Stephen Pathirana (Scottish Public Pensions Agency)
Thank you, convener. Good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to engage with the committee on the SPPA’s progress to deliver the McCloud remedy, follo...
The Convener
Lab
I will begin where you finished. For our benefit, what is the relationship between you and the Scottish Government—the director general corporate? Our unders...
Dr Pathirana
You are absolutely correct: we are an executive agency. In that context, a governance framework document sets out our terms of governance. It has been signed...
The Convener
Lab
Lesley Fraser, I do not know whether you can help to clarify the relationship.
Lesley Fraser (Scottish Government)
I act as a co-ordinator and overseer of the work of the agency, to ensure that it delivers against its strategic objectives, that we are confident in its gov...
The Convener
Lab
Okay, thank you. While you are on the microphone, director general, does the Scottish Government accept the findings, recommendations and conclusions in the ...
Lesley Fraser
Yes. I, too, am delighted that the agency has an unqualified opinion from Audit Scotland. That is hugely important. I accept in full, or very close to in ful...
The Convener
Lab
I am sure that the Auditor General understands that. Nonetheless, he thought it right to lay before the Parliament a section 22 report, because, as he descri...
Lesley Fraser
It is absolutely right to scrutinise that, and it is hugely important that the Auditor General undertakes his proper role and that there is proper scrutiny i...
The Convener
Lab
Okay, but we take advice from the Auditor General, and he has laid before us, as members of the Parliament, a section 22 report—bear in mind that it was publ...
Lesley Fraser
I have discussed that with Stephen Pathirana and the team at the SPPA, as has the Minister for Public Finance. I have also looked in detail at the management...
The Convener
Lab
Dr Pathirana, how do you respond to paragraph 23 of the Auditor General’s report, which I just read to Lesley Fraser?
Dr Pathirana
It is absolutely right for the Auditor General to ask those questions and raise those concerns. Although the report was published only recently, the data tha...
The Convener
Lab
Lesley Fraser alluded to the fact that her understanding is that your progress is broadly in line with that of agencies in England and Wales. However, the Au...
Dr Pathirana
The Auditor General is reflecting exactly what I said to the FPA Committee last year. As I said in my opening statement, pensions providers up and down the c...
The Convener
Lab
You have mentioned the Finance and Public Administration Committee a couple of times. You had some correspondence with the convener of that committee, Kenny ...
Dr Pathirana
What I mean is giving people the choice. The goal of the McCloud remedy is to ensure that people have a choice between their career average revalued earnings...
The Convener
Lab
If I put my feet in the boots of a retired firefighter, I would find that zero per cent of them have been issued with remediable service statements.
Dr Pathirana
The figure was zero per cent when the Audit Scotland report was done, but, as of yesterday, we had issued 37 per cent of firefighter RSSs. Again, we are maki...
The Convener
Lab
My final question is on your 17 February 2026 letter to Kenneth Gibson, convener of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The annex to the letter ...
Dr Pathirana
One of the challenges in trying to answer the FPA Committee convener’s question has been getting reliable and publicly available data. We have managed to get...
The Convener
Lab
We might get to that, but, in the interest of moving things along, I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform)
Reform
Lesley Fraser, at the start of the meeting, the convener asked whether you accepted in full the recommendations of the report. You said that you accepted the...
Lesley Fraser
It is particularly in relation to the challenge of being transparent and communicating clearly with members affected by the McCloud remedy. The Auditor Gener...
Graham Simpson
Reform
Is there an element of the Auditor General’s report that you are not comfortable with?
Lesley Fraser
It is that aspect in particular. There are particular difficulties and challenges with being able to be as clear and transparent with members who are affecte...
Graham Simpson
Reform
Dr Pathirana, in your letter to Mr Gibson of 17 February, you said:“I understand Audit Scotland’s position is that while it is recognised this is a UK-wide i...
Dr Pathirana
It is not that he has missed something; it is more that it would have been helpful to know that wider context. The Auditor General is rightly saying, “Here i...