Committee
Criminal Justice Committee 11 March 2026 [Draft]
11 Mar 2026 · S6 · Criminal Justice Committee
Item of business
Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)
Sara Snell
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We have conducted two inspections. HMP Stirling owns the Bella and Lilias units, if you like, so the governor of Stirling is responsible for them, with unit managers being the day-to-day operators within them. We conducted an inspection very soon after the units opened. We do not yet have evidence from inspections about their operation, although we receive regular input from independent prison monitoring.There are no human rights concerns, but, when comparing the original vision with the delivery, one thing that is clearly very disappointing is how difficult it has been to encourage women to see the units as a positive option. It has been very challenging to keep the units fully occupied. Given that so much of the prison estate is massively overburdened, having parts of the estate standing empty is a waste.The other thing that the report flagged was that, although the units were probably initially envisaged as a progression opportunity for longer-term and life-sentence women, in practice around 70 per cent of recent use has been by women serving short-term sentences, which has brought its own complexities.I think that there was an intention that the units would evolve over time—that allowing women to experience a much freer form of engagement and have a far less oppressive physical infrastructure would lead to their growth. There was also meant to be an element of co-creation, with the women themselves helping to determine how the units should operate. However, the report noted that a significant number of the original staff—who had been trauma-informed trained and really bought into the vision and concept—had moved on and that the new staff had perhaps not been hand picked in the same way or trained quite so well. They brought with them a more traditional approach: “I am a prison officer. I follow the prison rules. This is a prison like any other.” That shows the critical importance not only of having a vision but of ensuring long-term investment and leadership for the programme.My personal desire would be to develop a new model of custody for young men in the same way as we have introduced a new model of custody for women. However, the concept needs to be embedded much more firmly, along with further exploration of various issues—for example, whether it is possible to allow quicker community access for longer-term prisoners, because that is the whole point of the model. Again, though, that potentially involves legislative change, and it raises questions about equality between men and women who are held within the Scottish Prison Service, so these are not easy issues to deal with.The report is incredibly helpful, but taking things forward requires significant leadership and direction from the Scottish Prison Service.
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The Convener
SNP
Our next item of business is the continuation of our series of evidence sessions with different inspectorates and commissioners within our remit. Our aim is ...
Sara Snell (HM Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland)
Thank you for inviting His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons in Scotland to give evidence at the Criminal Justice Committee. I should like to begin by explai...
The Convener
SNP
It is very pleasing to hear that there is some positive news, although there are also significant challenges. I will begin our questions by asking about how ...
Sara Snell
Calum will talk in a little more detail about this, as he is very much one of our leads in doing the day-to-day work of following up recommendations. I will ...
Calum McCarthy (HM Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland)
Good morning. We have a process in place. Following the publication of one of our reports that includes recommendations, we ask the prison to give us an upda...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you. That is a helpful practical overview of the process of monitoring. Is it fair to assume that the size of the prison population, as it is at the mo...
Sara Snell
That is a really interesting question. Although one’s attention has to be focused somewhat on firefighting and making space to bring people in from court as ...
The Convener
SNP
How can the prison population be reduced?
Sara Snell
We are strongly of the opinion that prison should be a measure of last resort and that the people who come to prison should be those who present the greatest...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you. I open up the discussion to questions from colleagues.
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
Good morning. I have a question on staffing and the officers in our prisons. Your recent inspection activity has highlighted that there are considerable pres...
Sara Snell
There are a range of reasons why staff might be short in a particular prison. That might be a recruitment or retention issue or it might be a sickness absenc...
Liam Kerr
Con
It is a very interesting answer, which I will follow up on, if you do not mind. You mentioned recruitment and retention as well as issues with exhaustion. Ha...
Sara Snell
We see some good practice, where governors have recognised the challenges of a new member of staff coming in and have made a real attempt to show people the ...
Liam Kerr
Con
Have you picked up on any impact on the safety of staff and prisoners?
Sara Snell
We were trying to look at the level of incidents of violence. Stephen, do you have some statistics on that?
Stephen Sandham (HM Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland)
There is no direct evidence that overcrowding and pressures on staff are leading to an increase in violence. If anything, the current statistics for the year...
Liam Kerr
Con
I am very grateful.
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
I want to ask about prisoners’ needs and rehabilitation. We are aware that the needs of the prison population have changed with the demographics. Are you sat...
Sara Snell
I almost want to frame the question differently and link it to what we said earlier about who should be in prison. Prisons are doing an extraordinary amount ...
Stephen Sandham
I will follow up on that. Research that was published by the Scottish Government in 2022 highlighted that 15 per cent of the prison population had long-term ...
Rona Mackay
SNP
How has the situation changed over the decades? I realise that you will not have exact figures, but has that always been the case or is the situation much mo...
Stephen Sandham
I do not have figures that would give you a comparison. The research shows that the issue was significant in 2022, and the 2024 survey—which was self-selecte...
Rona Mackay
SNP
It is a good illustration of the challenges that are faced.I would like to move on to the SPAROW report on women’s custody units, which you mentioned in your...
Sara Snell
We have conducted two inspections. HMP Stirling owns the Bella and Lilias units, if you like, so the governor of Stirling is responsible for them, with unit ...
Rona Mackay
SNP
One of the issues that came up in the report was the tensions between prison staff and the women. The wearing of prison uniforms did not help in that situati...
Sara Snell
Absolutely. As I said in my opening statement, one of the things that Scotland has done well is having the vision for, the investment in and the courage to t...
Rona Mackay
SNP
That is an example of bureaucracy getting in the way. It would surely not cost anything to fix and would require just changing the practice of how the units ...
Sara Snell
Do not give up hope, Rona.