Committee
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 03 March 2026 [Draft]
03 Mar 2026 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”
Dr Houghton
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It is an important part of this, but it is really just one part. Mothers said that they received very little help in supporting their children through domestic abuse and moving away from it or that, while the agency was working to tackle the perpetrator, they were focused on supporting their children and the communication. We know that, in a hearing family, the perpetrator can actively seek to separate the mother and child, to make sure that they cannot communicate about the abuse and that the child is silenced, so that they do not reach out for support alongside the mother. That dynamic is further complicated by who in the family can speak English and who uses BSL.Deaf women said that, as mothers, they felt that it was difficult to access services for support. That is partly down to what Lucy Clark said about trusting agencies and women’s fear that, if they disclose abuse, their child will be taken away, especially if the perpetrator is hearing, confident, eloquent and able to manipulate services. That often traps these women further in a double trauma of domestic abuse and not being able to access support.Mothers and their practitioners also spoke about how programmes such as children experiencing domestic abuse recovery—CEDAR—and the Freedom Programme have started to pilot groups of deaf mothers and mixed groups of deaf and hearing mothers to support women to talk to their children about abuse. The children also need support to be able to talk about their experiences of domestic abuse. We have made great strides on that in Scotland, and it has been my lifetime’s work to get specialist support for children, but there is very little specialist support, especially for deaf children and the children of deaf adults, that allows us to understand their experiences. We have a lot of work to do there.We also saw that children were acting strongly in caring for and protecting their families, so we do not want to talk about them as if they are “poor wee victims”, as one of the young people I worked with said. These are children with active agency who are doing their best in a difficult situation, so they need support as people.Sometimes, mothers and children said that they felt that it was okay to have some language brokering, but not in a domestic abuse crisis situation, not in the justice system and not in contact with statutory services. We need to look at provision for deaf victims/survivors and the whole family while making sure that children are at the centre of that. There is a lot to do around mothers and children, but some of that is about the BSL capabilities of the children as well as of the rest of us.
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09:30
The Convener
SNP
Our second agenda item is a consideration of the findings of a joint research report on the perspectives of deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domesti...
Professor Jemina Napier (Heriot-Watt University)
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I will start in sign language, because of my respect for Lucy as the deaf author and for the deaf wo...
Lucy Clark (LCC Scotland)
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) Our research focused on deaf parents. We found that their experience of emotional and physical abuse...
Professor Napier
Just to continue on that thread, the deaf women told us that they were experiencing in effect a double trauma because they have a lack of access to informati...
Dr Claire Houghton (University of Edinburgh)
I just want to talk a little bit about what deaf women have told us about being mothers. They were particularly worried about the unique impact of domestic a...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I really appreciate the Deputy First Minister mentioning how she was inspired by our recommendations...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you all very much. We will move on to questions. Jemina, you touched on this in your opening statement. Given the shortage of interpreters, what specif...
Professor Napier
That is an excellent question. It is a question that we have been battling with for some time in relation to access to public services in general. When we lo...
The Convener
SNP
I realise that you might not have the information to hand, but is the lack of interpreters due to the density of the population being in the central belt or ...
Professor Napier
It is actually a bit of both. We know that more deaf people live in the central belt than in other parts of Scotland. Heriot-Watt University has a four-year ...
The Convener
SNP
We move to questions from Maggie Chapman.
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green)
Green
Good morning, and thank you for being with us today.I will pick up on a couple of points. Professor Napier, you spoke in your opening remarks about the Deaf ...
Professor Napier
That is a good question. I will begin before handing over to Lucy Clark, who has had a lot more involvement with that service.The Deaf Links and Women’s Aid ...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) What we have to bear in mind is that deaf mothers come from a variety of backgrounds—from grass-root...
Maggie Chapman
Green
:You have talked about a victim/survivor perhaps being reticent about trusting or relying on a service because of past experience, and about the value of hav...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) It is all about increasing BSL resources. It would be beneficial if each service received deaf aware...
Maggie Chapman
Green
:Thank you. That was really helpful. As somebody who previously worked in the Rape Crisis network, I know that we never talked about BSL or deaf culture. It ...
Dr Houghton
It is an important part of this, but it is really just one part. Mothers said that they received very little help in supporting their children through domest...
Maggie Chapman
Green
:The committee will reflect on your point about what we can do about families, whether it is the mother or the child, not trusting somebody else enough to te...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language)We also have to think carefully about the next generations. We need to include BSL in education right...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you for that, Lucy. Some of the most disturbing evidence that you have presented relates to children being used as interpreters. When the police arrive...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I could not agree more.
The Convener
SNP
We will now move on to questions from Paul McLennan.
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP)
SNP
A lack of understanding of rights and consent is a risk factor for deaf women, and Lucy Clark has touched on the need for early education and awareness raisi...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I am sorry—a little bit more about what?
Paul McLennan
SNP
:A bit more about early education and awareness raising, particularly on the consent issue, because I think that that is really important.
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I was surprised when I went to a workshop for the definiTAY project in Dundee, because all the women...
Paul McLennan
SNP
:What is the best way to tackle that situation? Is it through schools and through early education for women? Is it through organisations such as Deaf Action?...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I come back to our earlier point about the need for more deaf IDAAs, more deaf trainers, and more de...