Committee
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 03 March 2026 [Draft]
03 Mar 2026 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”
Professor Napier
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Just to continue on that thread, the deaf women told us that they were experiencing in effect a double trauma because they have a lack of access to information in BSL and a lack of opportunity to talk in BSL about their experiences of domestic abuse. The key finding of our report, therefore, which was also highlighted in the inquiry report, is that they need more access to information.The delivering equally safe fund is already funding Deaf Links in Dundee to work in collaboration with several branches of Women’s Aid. Lucy Clark has been doing work for them to develop some training and provide a deaf-specific advocacy service, but that has been considered only as a pilot so far. It is a temporary provision that has been extended, but we do not know what the future of that work will be.We want to emphasise that deaf women told us that they felt that they are doubly disadvantaged because it is hard enough for anyone to talk about domestic abuse, but when you are a deaf woman who cannot access specific services and information, and it does not feel as though you have access to support in British Sign Language, it emphasises the need for the kind of deaf-specific services that we are seeing in Dundee and Tayside and that have expertise in BSL and domestic abuse. Generic services often do not understand what deaf women need as BSL users, so we recommend that pilots such as those we have seen in Dundee be scaled up so that we can provide more consistent advice and advocacy for deaf women across Scotland.We also need to improve the opportunities for people working in universal services to upskill and understand how to work with deaf women. If someone is in a rural area, for example, they are less likely to be able to access a deaf-specific service. If they need to access a local service, do the people who are working in that mainstream or universal service understand what the needs of deaf women are or, at least, how to get the support they need to provide support to deaf women?Before handing over to Claire Houghton, I will make a final point about the lack of provision of BSL interpreters. The deaf mothers we interviewed all told us that they feel vulnerable in reporting because they are not sure whether interpreters will be booked and sometimes there are long waits for interpreters. That can heighten the trauma that they are already experiencing. It is hard enough to pluck up the courage to report in the first place, so sitting around and waiting for an interpreter can exacerbate their feelings of vulnerability. They acknowledged that there might be opportunities to use video interpreting in emergency situations, such as when they report the trauma initially, but any on-going support should be given through face-to-face interpreting. People should also have the opportunity to select interpreters that they are familiar with, because they are already feeling vulnerable, and they should be able to think about the gender of the interpreter who is sent to work with them.All this is just a small part of the justice journey that deaf women experience. It is not just about their contact with the police—we know that Police Scotland is doing a lot of work in that space and we have worked collaboratively with Police Scotland on a lot of different projects—but we need to think about how the broader universal domestic abuse services provide on-going support to deaf women after they have come into contact with the police and reported any incidents.I will hand over to Claire.
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09:30
The Convener
SNP
Our second agenda item is a consideration of the findings of a joint research report on the perspectives of deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domesti...
Professor Jemina Napier (Heriot-Watt University)
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I will start in sign language, because of my respect for Lucy as the deaf author and for the deaf wo...
Lucy Clark (LCC Scotland)
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) Our research focused on deaf parents. We found that their experience of emotional and physical abuse...
Professor Napier
Just to continue on that thread, the deaf women told us that they were experiencing in effect a double trauma because they have a lack of access to informati...
Dr Claire Houghton (University of Edinburgh)
I just want to talk a little bit about what deaf women have told us about being mothers. They were particularly worried about the unique impact of domestic a...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I really appreciate the Deputy First Minister mentioning how she was inspired by our recommendations...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you all very much. We will move on to questions. Jemina, you touched on this in your opening statement. Given the shortage of interpreters, what specif...
Professor Napier
That is an excellent question. It is a question that we have been battling with for some time in relation to access to public services in general. When we lo...
The Convener
SNP
I realise that you might not have the information to hand, but is the lack of interpreters due to the density of the population being in the central belt or ...
Professor Napier
It is actually a bit of both. We know that more deaf people live in the central belt than in other parts of Scotland. Heriot-Watt University has a four-year ...
The Convener
SNP
We move to questions from Maggie Chapman.
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green)
Green
Good morning, and thank you for being with us today.I will pick up on a couple of points. Professor Napier, you spoke in your opening remarks about the Deaf ...
Professor Napier
That is a good question. I will begin before handing over to Lucy Clark, who has had a lot more involvement with that service.The Deaf Links and Women’s Aid ...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) What we have to bear in mind is that deaf mothers come from a variety of backgrounds—from grass-root...
Maggie Chapman
Green
:You have talked about a victim/survivor perhaps being reticent about trusting or relying on a service because of past experience, and about the value of hav...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) It is all about increasing BSL resources. It would be beneficial if each service received deaf aware...
Maggie Chapman
Green
:Thank you. That was really helpful. As somebody who previously worked in the Rape Crisis network, I know that we never talked about BSL or deaf culture. It ...
Dr Houghton
It is an important part of this, but it is really just one part. Mothers said that they received very little help in supporting their children through domest...
Maggie Chapman
Green
:The committee will reflect on your point about what we can do about families, whether it is the mother or the child, not trusting somebody else enough to te...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language)We also have to think carefully about the next generations. We need to include BSL in education right...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you for that, Lucy. Some of the most disturbing evidence that you have presented relates to children being used as interpreters. When the police arrive...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I could not agree more.
The Convener
SNP
We will now move on to questions from Paul McLennan.
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP)
SNP
A lack of understanding of rights and consent is a risk factor for deaf women, and Lucy Clark has touched on the need for early education and awareness raisi...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I am sorry—a little bit more about what?
Paul McLennan
SNP
:A bit more about early education and awareness raising, particularly on the consent issue, because I think that that is really important.
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I was surprised when I went to a workshop for the definiTAY project in Dundee, because all the women...
Paul McLennan
SNP
:What is the best way to tackle that situation? Is it through schools and through early education for women? Is it through organisations such as Deaf Action?...
Lucy Clark
(simultaneous interpretation from British Sign Language) I come back to our earlier point about the need for more deaf IDAAs, more deaf trainers, and more de...