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Meeting of the Parliament 03 March 2026 [Draft]

03 Mar 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Accident and Emergency Services (Pressures)
Kerr, Stephen Con Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

That is what our constituents expect of us, and I hope that the cabinet secretary accepts that we are expressing a genuine level of concern on our constituents’ behalf. Those constituents are not just patients and not just staff; they are staff and patients. Tim Eagle was right to say that we are not seeing enough change. We should not pretend that there is change when there is not change. He pointed out some of the ridiculous executive decisions that have been made about, for example, reducing the presence of minor injuries units in parts of Scotland and closing community hospitals.

Over Christmas and new year, I spent several hours in the emergency department at Forth Valley royal hospital with a family member. I have spoken directly to the senior leadership of NHS Forth Valley about what I saw. I saw professionalism under strain; I saw calm, decency and commitment; and I saw staff doing their absolute best in circumstances that would stretch any workforce in any setting. They deserve our gratitude, but appreciation is not a strategy.

As has been repeated by a number of colleagues in the debate, the central issue is flow. Bed occupancy is persistently high; patients cannot move on; treatment areas are backed up; ambulances are queueing; and corridor care becomes normalised. Bed occupancy should be treated as a front-line accountability measure. If hospitals are routinely operating beyond safe margins, ministers must answer for that. There is accountability.

The pharmacy first approach needs to be reinforced. Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians and, for minor conditions, they are the right first call. However, that policy does not work in practice. If a parent cannot find an open pharmacy, they will—as is rational—go to A and E. We need round-the-clock access to pharmacies, clear signposting and a public campaign to shift behaviour; otherwise, A and E will remain overwhelmed.

I will raise one more issue in the time that I have. A small minority of people behave disgracefully in our emergency departments—they intimidate the staff and harass other patients. That is unacceptable. Abuse and violence must carry visible consequences. Zero tolerance must mean zero tolerance.

My colleague Sharon Dowey raised another subject, which was also raised by the chief constable yesterday. Too many police officers are stationed in emergency departments for entire shifts to deal with people experiencing mental health crises. We need a joined-up approach to mental health management, so that police officers do not become de facto mental health practitioners. They are not trained to do that.

I hope that Neil Gray will accept the reality that, as his party has been in office for nearly 20 years, ministers cannot default to defensiveness. Leadership means facing hard truths. It means capacity and workforce planning and dealing with the future, not just today’s crisis. We have seen the numbers for today—there are record levels of waits in A and E. We must see change; we must be grounded in realism; we must take responsibility; and, collectively, we must encourage the Government to have the courage to change course.

17:48

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The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
Will the member give way?
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Neil Gray SNP
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Jackie Baillie Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The member is concluding.
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate.17:19
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing the debate to the chamber. I will start on a point on which I can agree with her: there are, of course, huge pressures in...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member give way?
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I have quite a lot to get through. It depends on how strict the Deputy Presiding Officer is going to be with time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
A lot of members want to speak, and I am keen that they all get a chance to have their four minutes.
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I will continue on just now, then—sorry, Mr Kerr.We also need to be more innovative with new solutions that are out there to enable people to look after thei...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing the debate to the Holyrood chamber this evening.It is a busy period, and Parliament is debating a number of new subjects,...
Davy Russell (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab) Lab
My thanks go to Jackie Baillie for bringing this incredibly important debate to the chamber, and for recounting the experience of one of my constituents, Jea...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I declare an interest, in that my wife is a practising GP with the national health service.I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing this important debate to the c...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank my colleague Jackie Baillie for bringing this important debate to the chamber.In 2007, the Scottish Government set a target that 95 per cent of patie...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
A similar situation prevailed at the Glasgow royal infirmary. Does the member agree that the main issue has been the collapse of social care beds in Scotland...
Carol Mochan Lab
I absolutely agree. Members across the chamber can see the situation that we are describing, but what we do not see is action happening to change that.Consti...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Neil Gray SNP
I appreciate the point that Brian Whittle is making, and I thank him for giving way. The pandemic undoubtedly exacerbated the issues—not just in Scotland but...
Brian Whittle Con
I say to the cabinet secretary that this is 2026: where is the Covid recovery plan that we were promised way back by the health secretary, two predecessors a...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I say well done to Jackie Baillie for bringing the debate to the chamber, but I am incredibly disappointed with the cabinet secretary. I like Neil Gray—I hop...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Stephen Kerr Con
I will, but the cabinet secretary does not need to be so defensive about the issue. Part of the way to deal with it is to be completely open about what is ha...
Neil Gray SNP
I accept Stephen Kerr’s point, as I do Jackie Baillie’s point: that there are too many people waiting for too long in accident and emergency departments. I m...
Stephen Kerr Con
I dispute the suggestion that we are scaremongering. We are bringing the voices of our constituents to the chamber, and that is exactly what they expect of u...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Cabinet secretary, please let Mr Kerr continue.
Stephen Kerr Con
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