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Meeting of the Parliament 03 March 2026 [Draft]

03 Mar 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill

I thank members for their contributions to this short debate, and I will touch on a couple of issues that have been raised. The first is timing, which was raised by Alexander Stewart, Mark Griffin and a couple of others. First, it is important to say that the timing was not wholly within the gift of the Scottish Government, given the substantial engagement that was required with the UK Government. It was a two-way process that—far from being about parliamentary theatre, as Mark Griffin suggested—involved the hard yards of trying to get agreement with two successive UK Governments. To those who have never held ministerial office, I can only say that it is not an easy task to get agreement with another Government on the detail of issues such as competence. We required the Advocate General to give us comfort that there would not be the risk of a further referral to the Supreme Court, and we did not get that.

We could talk all day about why it took so long, but I say to members candidly that it is difficult to negotiate these matters, in particular where matters are not clear cut. They were complex, and we therefore had to work through all the detail and find a compromise that was acceptable in particular to COSLA, as the main stakeholder. Those were the hard yards that we worked through to get to this point.

On the point about funding, there is a real-terms increase in funding for local government in the budget that was passed last week, without the support of Alexander Stewart or Mark Griffin, who did not vote for that additional funding for local government. Actions always speak louder than words.

I refer to the point that Alex Cole-Hamilton made about the tension between centralisation and localism when it comes to accountability. For as long as I can remember, ministers have always and regularly been held accountable for the delivery of responsibilities, whether those responsibilities sit within this Parliament, including the ministerial responsibilities of the Scottish Government, or with local government.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20934, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Sco...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
The European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill is about strengthening local democracy and, as such, I am pleased to be able to...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
I begin by thanking COSLA, Mark Ruskell and officials for their continued commitment and support ahead of today’s reconsideration debate, and Andy Wightman f...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. The amended European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill represent...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Mark Griffin joins us remotely.16:30
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The bill has always had a simple and widely supported purpose: to incorporate the European Charter of Local Self-Government into Scots law, giving local auth...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Addressing our conference on the 25th anniversary of devolution, the dear departed Jim Wallace said:“The Constitutional Convention, whose final report is pep...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. Like others, I pay tribute to Mark Rusk...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
We move to closing speeches.16:41
Mark Griffin Lab
I thank members for their contributions to this reconsideration debate, because local democracy is not just an abstract principle but the foundation of how e...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives will be supporting the bill at decision time because it protects the political, administrative and financial independence of local...
Shona Robison SNP
I thank members for their contributions to this short debate, and I will touch on a couple of issues that have been raised. The first is timing, which was ra...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Shona Robison SNP
Of course.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way. This is often the excuse that her Government leans into when it is rightly challenged about problems t...
Shona Robison SNP
Given Police Scotland’s record on solving crimes of a very serious nature, and the current record low levels of crime, I am a major advocate for having Polic...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Shona Robison SNP
Go on.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
We have 32 local authorities, because we have reached a settled will that that is a fitting number to serve the communities of Scotland.I point to the nation...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Cabinet secretary, I can give you the time back.
Shona Robison SNP
That was not my point. My point was about responsibility and accountability for delivery. There will always be tensions around where responsibility should li...
Shona Robison SNP
No, I want to finish.They will continue to be debated in the next parliamentary session, of which I will not be a part. There are tensions that will always b...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
There is a bit of time in hand.
Shona Robison SNP
I will finish on this point. I hope that members across the chamber, despite some of the challenges that we have just alluded to, come together today to supp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Mark Ruskell, the member in charge of the bill, will wind up the debate.16:54
Mark Ruskell Green
I thank the cabinet secretary for her kind words and I thank members across the chamber for their speeches. I have my fingers crossed that I might be heading...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I am grateful to Mark Ruskell for his kind words about Jim Wallace. Does he recognise that, as Donald Dewar said about devolution being a process, not an eve...
Mark Ruskell Green
Absolutely. The bill raises questions about where we are now regarding our levels of Government and responsibility. Those questions can be opened up if there...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
That concludes the debate on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill at reconsideration stage.