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Meeting of the Parliament 04 March 2026 [Draft]

04 Mar 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ferries
Mountain, Edward Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I thank the Liberal Democrats, particularly Jamie Greene, for bringing the debate to Parliament. Over the past 10 years, he and I have shared many committee meetings where we looked at hulls 801 and 802, and it is those vessels that I will concentrate on today.

When I was at school, when we were learning about history and Henry VIII, we were taught a little rhyme that went, “Divorced, beheaded, died; divorced, beheaded, survived”. When it comes to teaching how the Government handled hulls 801 and 802, we will be reminded that it was a case of, “Redesigned, replaced, repurposed”. When it comes to ministers, or anyone in Transport Scotland or CMAL, the one “R” that is missing from that saying is that no one was removed.

I am sure that I do not need to remind members of the many ministers who have presided over the ferries fiasco. We have had Derek Mackay, Humza Yousaf, Graeme Dey, Jenny Gilruth, Kevin Stewart and Fiona Hyslop, who, in her second incarnation when it comes to ferries, seems to be doing a lot better. We have had cabinet secretaries in the form of Michael Matheson, Màiri McAllan and now Fiona Hyslop again.

In all the time that I have been considering the ferries issue, I have not seen anyone being fired over this fiasco. I do not need to remind members, because we have already been reminded, that the contract was awarded in 2015, and it was 2017 when the—as it appeared to be at that stage—floating bathtub that was to become the Glen Sannox was launched. When those contracts were awarded, we knew that most yards across the world were working on the basis of five stage payments when it came to ferries, but—oh, no—the Scottish Government decided to work with 18 stage payments. When the yard was eventually nationalised, we paid £82 million of the £97 million, but we did not even have a ferry that was fit for purpose.

Then things got progressively worse. We end up now, as we have been told, with £460 million having been spent on the ferries, with additional loans to Ferguson Marine of £15 million and £30 million. Interestingly, no one knew that the two loans were going ahead; they went ahead sort of independently.

If we look at the total money that has been spent on the Ferguson Marine yard, it is about £1.5 million per employee. Members should let that sink in—£1.5 million per employee. Do I begrudge them that? Not a bit of it, in the sense that it is not the employees who are at fault here but the management, together with the Government’s failure to manage the situation. Let me be clear: the Government might think that it can argue that we have value for money, but, when the Glen Sannox was insured the other day, it was insured for £50 million. That is the rebuild cost. We know that building it has cost four times that amount. The market says that it would cost £50 million to replace the Glen Sannox, but look at how much we have paid.

As we come to the end of the debate, my question is, who has lost their job? No one in Transport Scotland. I can point to one or two civil servants who have moved sideways and then been promoted to other jobs. I can point to a few ministers who have moved sideways and then been promoted to other jobs. One or two ministers have disappeared out of the Parliament for other reasons, but we will not go into that.

What have the islanders got for that? They have lost business and they have lost out on receiving care—they have genuinely lost out. For that, the Parliament should be ashamed. I hope that the Government will hang its head when it comes to this ferry fiasco.

Before I close, I will just say that I have appreciated the companionship of Fiona Hyslop in the Parliament. I have enjoyed working alongside her—not always with her, and sometimes against her—and she has always done so with good humour, which has made my time in the Parliament all the richer.

16:34

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20957, in the name of Jamie Greene, on fixing Scotland’s ferries fiasco.15:57
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
Presiding Officer, I have been accused, over the years, of banging on about ferries in the chamber, and that is absolutely right. If you had told me 10 years...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
This debate is helpfully timed to allow me to build on my statement yesterday to the Parliament. Yesterday, I chaired a meeting of the Ardrossan task force t...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in support of the motion that was lodged by Jamie Greene on fixing Scotland’s ferry fiasco.For too long, Scotland’s islands and coastal...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Sue Webber Con
I will not, Mr Gibson, as I have very limited time and quite a significant amount to carry on with.That figure will rise further now that the charter has bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Ms Webber, you must conclude.
Sue Webber Con
In conclusion, it is time to stop Scotland’s ferry fiasco. It is time to restore trust.I move amendment S6M-20957.2, to insert at end:“; notes that the combi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Rhoda Grant, who joins us remotely, to speak to and move amendment S6M-20957.1.16:13
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
As the cabinet secretary said, we had a statement yesterday that tried to draw a line under the ferry fiasco, but, sadly, it did not. We are still seeing pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call on Maggie Chapman to open on behalf of the Scottish Greens.16:17
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber, because Scotland’s island and coastal communities deserve much bett...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate.16:21
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Ferries are critical infrastructure for Scotland’s islands—islands that are, according to Scottish Government social media posts, “central to Scotland’s futu...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Beatrice Wishart LD
I do not have any time; I am going to continue.Yet the issues that respondents raised were the same in 2023 as those that Transport Scotland reported in 2025...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Beatrice Wishart LD
I have no time—sorry.A prior long-standing policy of allowing sharing of cabins offered many people a cheaper, more comfortable way to travel. However, that ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I first pay tribute to the cabinet secretary, Fiona Hyslop. Today we heard her last speech after 27 years serving her constituents in this Parliament, 17 of ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I thank the Liberal Democrats, particularly Jamie Greene, for bringing the debate to Parliament. Over the past 10 years, he and I have shared many committee ...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my voluntary register of trade union interests.It never ceases to amaze me that something just as distinctively and as quintessentially S...
Edward Mountain Con
It was the Government that failed.
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
It was private ownership.
Richard Leonard Lab
In fact, because of persistent pressure from this Parliament’s Public Audit Committee, the Government has been required to bring in the accountants—Interrupt...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Mr Leonard, please resume your seat for a second. I am looking at two members who are having a conversation across the chamber from sedentary positions, whic...
Richard Leonard Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. Let me return to this point: because of persistent pressure from this Parliament’s Public Audit Committee, the Govern...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Leonard Lab
If I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Briefly, Jamie Halcro Johnston.
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
I always enjoy listening to Richard Leonard speak. However, I tell him as an islander—I think that I speak on behalf of many islanders in the northern isles—...