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Meeting of the Parliament 24 February 2026 [Draft]

24 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Parliament (Recall of Members) Bill

I congratulate the member in charge of the bill—and his staff—on getting us to this point.

It has been more than 10 years since commensurate legislation was passed in Westminster. Despite the rhetoric, it is shameful that we are doing this only now—we should have done it at around the same time. Ultimately, the people who send us to Parliament—our constituents, who give us our instructions—are our employer and our boss. Unless we pass this bill, they will not have the means of terminating our employment beyond the normal rhythm of elections. They are our boss. They decide whether we get to stay here and they cannot do so on a whim. The bill rightly builds in safeguards around the thresholds that would trigger an action to remove one of us.

In the time available to me, I will address the criminality aspect of Sue Webber’s amendments. I have had time to consider this aspect further. We should not just have criminality as a trigger for expulsion, because, in the future, we might live in less enlightened times.

I have a lot of sympathy with Lorna Slater’s remarks about peaceful protests. Sometimes, peaceful protests that cross the line of the law are a democratic necessity and imperative. We need only look across the Atlantic at the activities in Minneapolis, where some democratically elected members have tried to obstruct the inhumane activities of the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers in the conduct of their duties. In a black-and-white analysis, those members breached the law, but they were not able to do otherwise because their consciences would not have allowed them to. We cannot be in a situation in which our consciences driving us to take steps that are outside the law would lead to a recall or, as Sue Webber’s amendments would have provided for, an immediate expulsion.

There was another flaw in Sue Webber’s amendments. She pointed out that breaking the law and receiving a custodial sentence would likely result in someone losing any other job. That may well be the case, but it would not be the court that would terminate that employment but the employer, who would do so after assessing the facts as they had them. It would have been inappropriate to include that provision in the bill, because it would have given the final say to the Parliament rather than the people who send us here.

I want to reflect on the fact that my amendment 35 was perhaps the first amendment that I have lodged in my entire parliamentary career of 10 years to have been unanimously agreed to by the Parliament. I am grateful for that and for the chorus of interventions that explored the issue that the amendment raised. I look forward to picking up on the amendment’s provisions in the next parliamentary session. When I tried to introduce them in the previous session, the amendment crashed to utter defeat—by something like 125 votes to four.

We have drawn an important line in the sand. The Parliament recognised that we are omitting to check that the people who stand for election are of the right calibre and probity to work with protected groups, whether that be vulnerable adults or children. We cannot go on like that. There is no question but that, ultimately, in the fullness of time, such an omission will lead to an exploitation of the reach, power, influence and opportunity that we, as parliamentarians, are offered through the privilege that we have in this role.

Reflecting on that in the tea room with Jeremy Balfour, I realised that we need not just ensure that parliamentarians are subject to the disclosure process; that would, in large part, be closing the barn door after the horse had bolted. Instead, we need to provide that, in the vetting process for candidates, parties are expected to ensure that disclosure regimes are applied to those who would seek high office.

As Liberal Democrats, we are happy to support this very democratic bill.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20904, in the name of Graham Simpson, on the Scottish Parliament (Recall of Members) Bill at stage 3. I i...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
It is customary to thank a number of people when we reach this stage in a member’s bill, so I will start with some thanks. First, I thank the non-Government ...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I recognise the hard work that Graham Simpson has put in and the fact that he has been co-operative with other members. However, the lack of the Agnew review...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Thank you, Mr Stewart. Mr Simpson, I will give you the time back, as that was quite a long intervention.
Graham Simpson Reform
I am extremely grateful. Kevin Stewart has made a good point. We need to get legislation right, and he knows that I take that very seriously. However, I assu...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Graham Simpson Reform
I am happy to take an intervention from Martin Whitfield, if I can. I have almost finished.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Be very brief, Mr Whitfield—briefer than Mr Stewart was, please.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I will be brief. It may assist people to understand from Graham Simpson when he envisages that the bill will, in fact, take effect and influence the career p...
Graham Simpson Reform
There is no commencement date. I guess that the point that I am making is that we can afford to wait. The fact that there is no commencement date is the resu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Graeme Dey to open on behalf of the Scottish Government.17:35
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
All in this chamber care about democratic accountability—I think that that is a given. For many, the ultimate exercise in democratic accountability awaits in...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
The bill began life as a Scottish Conservative pledge. We proposed a Mackay’s law as long ago as 2021. The intention was to give people the ability to remove...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Ms Webber must realise that, if her amendments had been agreed to this afternoon, they would have wrecked the bill completely and utterly and would have set ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Mr Stewart, that was a very lengthy intervention again. Ms Webber, I will give you the time back.
Sue Webber Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I sought to deliver what the public expected of me—what was in the Scottish Conservatives’ manifesto. The bill is not th...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We all agree with the intent of this bill: that every other part of the United Kingdom has a system of recall, and so should we—that there should be accounta...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The member is concluding.
Richard Leonard Lab
It is experience that is converted into determination, and articulated in the inspiring words of Angela Davis, who famously declared:“I am no longer acceptin...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
Although the Scottish Greens were uncomfortable with the implementation of the bill as drafted at stage 1, we abstained at that point in order to give the me...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Alex Cole-Hamilton to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.17:53
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I congratulate the member in charge of the bill—and his staff—on getting us to this point.It has been more than 10 years since commensurate legislation was p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate.17:57
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I want to make it clear, as the minister has done, that the Scottish Government and the Scottish National Party support the introduction of a fair and indepe...
Graham Simpson Reform
Will the member take an intervention?
Rona Mackay SNP
I am sorry—I have only a wee bit more to say and I am running out of time.We must ensure that the processes work smoothly and are sufficiently clear to comma...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Christine Grahame. You have up to four minutes.18:01
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for taking my late request to speak, Presiding Officer.There are two reasons why I will not support the bill. First, the review of by the Standards...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to closing speeches.18:02