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Meeting of the Parliament 24 February 2026 [Draft]

24 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Parliament (Recall of Members) Bill
Simpson, Graham Reform Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

It is customary to thank a number of people when we reach this stage in a member’s bill, so I will start with some thanks. First, I thank the non-Government bills unit for its support throughout what has been a very long process.

My various staff throughout the years of working on the bill deserve my thanks, and, in particular, I single out Abigail Fletcher, who will be mortified that I have mentioned her. She was super efficient and a great source of advice, and she will do well where she works now and wherever she works in the future.

I thank everyone who has engaged with me on the bill or who responded to the committee’s call for evidence, because being challenged on your ideas is a vital part of the process.

The former Minister for Parliamentary Business, Jamie Hepburn, has my on-going respect for the collaborative way in which he engaged with me on the bill, as does the current minister, Graeme Dey.

Finally, I thank Baroness Davidson for setting me on this course. I hope that it has not been a waste of time and that the Parliament does the right thing and legislates.

When I first started talking to Baroness Davidson about the bill, as I mentioned earlier, our idea centred on whether it was right that MSPs could get elected for five years and then, perfectly legitimately and without having to provide any excuse, never turn up again after being sworn in, or, now, in the age of hybrid working, without even logging into proceedings. That rather cushy arrangement would not be found in any other workplace, and to assume that people will not swing the lead is ludicrous, because they have done so and they will do so. Having been a councillor, I knew that councillors can lose their positions if they are absent for more than six months without good reason. The committee that looked at the bill was not entirely persuaded of the concept that I proposed—it was never about trying to catch MSPs who are off for a variety of very understandable reasons—so we lost that part of the bill at stage 2. The Parliament must return to that, because it is simply an unacceptable situation.

I also proposed that MSPs should lose their jobs if they were jailed for six months or more. Being jailed for six months is a very unlikely event in Scotland, but I wanted to avoid a repeat of the situation in the past whereby a member was jailed for 12 months but the law said that he would lose his job only if he was incarcerated for “more than” 12 months. That section of the bill was also sacrificed, so we are left with a recall bill.

The Parliament accepted that we should legislate. The question was: how? The fundamental challenge for me was to design a recall system that works for both constituency and regional members. It is impossible to have the same system, because we are elected differently. My initial effort was clunky and potentially very expensive. I accepted that and went back to the drawing board, because that is the process: we need to listen.

The difficult bit was the regional element. However—luckily—I had engaged with the Senedd Standards of Conduct Committee in Wales where the Welsh Government was legislating under the new entirely list system. It seemed to me that I could largely adopt the Welsh system for recalling regional members, which was to ask voters only once whether a member should stay or go, if they had met the threshold for being recalled—a poll, rather than a petition. That system is far easier to understand than my initial two-stage proposal and is, obviously, a lot cheaper.

That is what I proposed at stage 2. I had responded to the committee’s concerns. My officials worked with the Government on amendments. However, when we got to stage 2, the minister revealed that he was not entirely happy with one of the amendments. He wanted more detail, so I have provided that. The Parliament accepted my amendments today and the minister backed all of them, so I hope that that has been enough to secure his support. We will hear about that soon.

Today, I have heard concerns about the Agnew review and the parliamentary sanctions element of the bill. Nothing in the bill, as it is now, prevents our waiting for that review to complete. The bill can pass, and we can wait for the Agnew review.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20904, in the name of Graham Simpson, on the Scottish Parliament (Recall of Members) Bill at stage 3. I i...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
It is customary to thank a number of people when we reach this stage in a member’s bill, so I will start with some thanks. First, I thank the non-Government ...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I recognise the hard work that Graham Simpson has put in and the fact that he has been co-operative with other members. However, the lack of the Agnew review...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Thank you, Mr Stewart. Mr Simpson, I will give you the time back, as that was quite a long intervention.
Graham Simpson Reform
I am extremely grateful. Kevin Stewart has made a good point. We need to get legislation right, and he knows that I take that very seriously. However, I assu...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Graham Simpson Reform
I am happy to take an intervention from Martin Whitfield, if I can. I have almost finished.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Be very brief, Mr Whitfield—briefer than Mr Stewart was, please.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I will be brief. It may assist people to understand from Graham Simpson when he envisages that the bill will, in fact, take effect and influence the career p...
Graham Simpson Reform
There is no commencement date. I guess that the point that I am making is that we can afford to wait. The fact that there is no commencement date is the resu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Graeme Dey to open on behalf of the Scottish Government.17:35
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
All in this chamber care about democratic accountability—I think that that is a given. For many, the ultimate exercise in democratic accountability awaits in...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
The bill began life as a Scottish Conservative pledge. We proposed a Mackay’s law as long ago as 2021. The intention was to give people the ability to remove...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Ms Webber must realise that, if her amendments had been agreed to this afternoon, they would have wrecked the bill completely and utterly and would have set ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Mr Stewart, that was a very lengthy intervention again. Ms Webber, I will give you the time back.
Sue Webber Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I sought to deliver what the public expected of me—what was in the Scottish Conservatives’ manifesto. The bill is not th...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We all agree with the intent of this bill: that every other part of the United Kingdom has a system of recall, and so should we—that there should be accounta...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The member is concluding.
Richard Leonard Lab
It is experience that is converted into determination, and articulated in the inspiring words of Angela Davis, who famously declared:“I am no longer acceptin...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
Although the Scottish Greens were uncomfortable with the implementation of the bill as drafted at stage 1, we abstained at that point in order to give the me...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Alex Cole-Hamilton to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.17:53
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I congratulate the member in charge of the bill—and his staff—on getting us to this point.It has been more than 10 years since commensurate legislation was p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate.17:57
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I want to make it clear, as the minister has done, that the Scottish Government and the Scottish National Party support the introduction of a fair and indepe...
Graham Simpson Reform
Will the member take an intervention?
Rona Mackay SNP
I am sorry—I have only a wee bit more to say and I am running out of time.We must ensure that the processes work smoothly and are sufficiently clear to comma...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Christine Grahame. You have up to four minutes.18:01
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for taking my late request to speak, Presiding Officer.There are two reasons why I will not support the bill. First, the review of by the Standards...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to closing speeches.18:02