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Meeting of the Parliament 24 February 2026 [Draft]

24 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 3

The Scottish Government cannot support any of Sue Webber’s amendments in the group, because they would change the nature of recall by removing Scottish voters from the process of determining whether their regional MSP should or should not be recalled from the Parliament as a result of that MSP’s misconduct. Instead, they would provide that constituency MSPs would have their misconduct judged by voters, and regional list MSPs would be removed directly by the Presiding Officer. No right of appeal would be built into the regional process.

The amendments would abandon the principle of parity of esteem for Scottish Parliament recall processes, and MSPs who had committed the same level of misconduct would be treated differently, depending on the method by which they had been elected to the Parliament. Strong democratic accountability measures would be in place for constituency MSPs, whereas they would not be in place for regional members.

I want to return to the principle behind introducing a recall process, which the Scottish Government fully supports. The point of recall is not to design a process that derives from the manner by which the MSP was elected; it should be to enhance democratic accountability of all members of the Parliament by ensuring that, by engaging in the recall process, Scottish voters have a role in determining whether their MSP should or should not be recalled from the Parliament as a result of that MSP’s misconduct.

Under Sue Webber’s proposals, a regional MSP who was convicted of an offence on a matter of conscience would be denied the safeguard of the public judging whether their conduct was justified. The process of direct removal for regional MSPs would cut the costs that are associated with the bill, and costs have been an area of concern, given that the recall process is relatively simple. However, costs should surely not cut the corners of democracy or natural justice. It might make for a cleaner, simpler system, but would it be fair or equitable? No.

Introducing such a proposal, voting on it and then passing the bill at stage 3 without seriously considering detailed evidence is not the right approach to introducing such a significant change and potentially severe new process. I therefore urge the Parliament to reject all Sue Webber’s amendments in the group.

In the same item of business

14:38
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members sho...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on how a regional member is recalled. Amendment 38, in the name of Sue Webber, is grouped with amendments 38 to 42, 42A, 42B, 42C, 43 to 46, 48, 5...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
All the amendments in this group have been lodged by me and concern changes to the recall process for regional members. One of the key challenges of the bill...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
Will the member give way?
Sue Webber Con
No, I shall not be giving way to Mr Mason.
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
Will the member give way?
Sue Webber Con
Yes, I will give way to Jeremy Balfour.
Jeremy Balfour Ind
My concern is that the amendments would take away the responsibility and power from the electorate and would allow the Parliament to make a decision that the...
Sue Webber Con
Indeed. Such vexatious complaints and what might or might not happen in a future session of Parliament are of grave concern to me. We must be mindful that th...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Sue Webber for her explanation of her amendments. I wish to speak to amendment 42. The member obviously received different advice from that which I r...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
The Scottish Government cannot support any of Sue Webber’s amendments in the group, because they would change the nature of recall by removing Scottish voter...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
Sue Webber’s amendments would apply the recall petition process only to constituency members and provide for automatic removal of regional members in cases i...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Sue Webber to wind up the debate and to press or withdraw amendment 38.
Sue Webber Con
I find it slightly ironic that two regional MSPs are supporting my amendments but the Government minister who was elected in a constituency is not. I push ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The question is, that amendment 38 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
There will be a division. As this will be the first division of stage 3, I suspend the meeting for about five minutes to allow members to access the digital ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We will proceed with the division on amendment 38. Members should cast their votes now.The vote is closed.
The Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could not connect to the app. I would have voted no.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Thank you, Ms Martin. Your vote will be recorded.15:00
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Thank you, Ms Dowey. We hope you will have your camera on next time.
ForBaker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)Burnett, Alexander (Aberdeenshire West) (Con)Carlaw, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The result of the division is: For 37, Against 69, Abstentions 0.Amendment 38 disagreed to.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We now turn to group 2, on removal for offending. Amendment 1, in the name of Sue Webber, is grouped with amendments 2 to 6, 8, 9, 22, 25, 27 and 32 to 34. I...
Sue Webber Con
The sound was all over the place there, Presiding Officer. It was coming in and out, and I did not quite hear everything. Perhaps whoever is working the soun...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
If you resume your seat, Ms Webber, I will repeat what I said, and we will see if we can get it all on the record.
Sue Webber Con
Thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Amendment 1, in the name of Sue Webber, is grouped with amendments 2 to 6, 8, 9, 22, 25, 27 and 32 to 34. I take this opportunity to point out that, if amend...
Sue Webber Con
That was much clearer—thank you so much, Presiding Officer.Once again, all the amendments in the group have been lodged by me. As I laid out at stage 2, we s...