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Meeting of the Parliament 17 February 2026 [Draft]

17 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I am talking about part 2 of the bill, which is not about religious observance. However, on that point, we believe that there should be separation of church and state. There is nothing in the bill to prevent religious observance by children and young people who wish to take part in the home or in other settings. I am addressing part 2 of the bill and we must ensure that all acts of the Scottish Parliament are compliant with UNCRC in the first instance, so that we build a human rights culture across our public bodies.

That culture must respect the rights of children and young people as being absolutely prime and must ensure that the duties of public bodies are discharged in a way that respects those rights. The bill does not do that. Amendments made to the bill by me and by the cabinet secretary have addressed that problem in part. There will now be clear reporting mechanisms and public bodies will have to inform the relevant authorities when they are considering an action that is required by law but that might be contrary to UNCRC. However, I remain disappointed that there will be no proactive auditing process to allow us to identify clashes before they happen and I still do not understand why the Scottish Government would not give the children’s commissioner the ability to refer legislation directly to the court for a decision on compatibility.

Nelson Mandela told us:

“To deny people their human rights is to challenge their very humanity”.

That is why Greens have worked so hard to ensure that the rights in the bill are meaningful, are expanded and can be enforced by children and young people and by the organisations that represent them. Scottish Greens have worked hard with those children’s rights experts to make this well-meaning but flawed bill better. As a result, it now protects the vital role of religious education in promoting religious understanding and tolerance in our plural society. I am also pleased that we will know more, and earlier, about potential clashes between existing legislation and the UNCRC.

However, for the reasons that I mentioned earlier, and primarily because of the issues with part 1 of the bill, the balance is still, in our view, not quite right. At decision time this evening, we will not support the bill but will abstain. Had the bill been drafted through working more closely with children’s rights organisations from the start, it might have been a different story.

I remain committed to supporting the introduction of a Scottish human rights bill in the next session of the Parliament and am hopeful that that can be done. That will be landmark legislation and will provide a once-in-a-generation opportunity to ensure that existing human rights and, I hope, many new rights will be at the heart of every public policy decision that is made.

However, before we start on that bill, we must learn the lessons of this bill. We must use the new human rights bill to build a human rights culture in our public bodies; we must involve human rights experts more and earlier; and we must ensure that we have clear mechanisms, so that all the actions that we take and every piece of legislation that we pass are compatible with our human rights objectives. Only then will we be sure that the essence of our humanity that Mandela talked about—the fact that everyone, everywhere, in all aspects of our lives, has rights that must be respected—is truly at the heart of the laws and policies that we make.

19:45

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20813, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment o...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
The legislation that comes before Parliament today does not sit in isolation; rather, as we have heard from some members this afternoon, it is part of the wi...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee for its work on the bill, those who have given evidence and the organisations that provided ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
We have heard a variety of views on the matter during the discussions on amendments this afternoon, and I am sure that we will hear more in the debate. Howev...
Miles Briggs Con
The courts will have to judge whether the Government has overstepped the mark in the legislation, given the contradictory UNCRC and European human rights pro...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
I wonder what the member thinks of a story that a constituent shared with me. She runs a Christian kids’ club in her local primary school. A little child was...
Miles Briggs Con
That is an individual case. Looking at how this will play out in the different scenarios that bureaucratic systems will look towards is very different.
Martin Whitfield Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
The Presiding Officer NPA
This will have to be very brief.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful, Presiding Officer.The debate that we are having is about religious education and religious observance in a school setting, not about club...
Miles Briggs Con
The Deputy First Minister has pointed towards that club being held in a school, and I imagine that that is likely to be discouraged, given that scenario.I am...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we have concluded the amendment stages of the bill, I join others in thanking the legislation team for their ever-present support with drafting amendments...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin by thanking a number of people who have helped us get to this point today. As ever, the legislation team are unsung heroes, expertly drafting amendme...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am married to a Roman Catholic primary school teacher, and I was formerly the convener ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate.19:30
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
The bill is about children’s rights showing up in the real world—in the school day and in the decisions that adults make that can change how a young person e...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Well, I think that the bill is a mess. It has struggled its way through the different stages in this Parliament, and today’s stage 3 amendments were evidence...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Stephen Kerr Con
Yes, of course.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The issues around conflict were discussed at length in the evidence sessions that were led by the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, and i...
Stephen Kerr Con
I do not doubt that conflict exists currently, but it exists within a very clear framework of law. The bill is not a clear framework of law.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
We will have to disagree on that.
Stephen Kerr Con
I think that we will—the cabinet secretary is correct.Of course children must be respected and they must be heard, but the Conservatives also recognise the f...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I will be brief. I agree with Stephen Kerr that the bill is a bit of a dog’s breakfast. I approach the bill from the point of view of asking whether it will ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the winding-up speeches.19:41
Maggie Chapman Green
As I indicated earlier, my closing remarks will focus on part 2 of the bill. I remain uncomfortable with that part of the bill. What is happening is that, ju...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
I understand the member’s point. There has been quite a move in recent years to remove religious observance from school or to assume that to be secular is to...
Maggie Chapman Green
I am talking about part 2 of the bill, which is not about religious observance. However, on that point, we believe that there should be separation of church ...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests.I apologise to Karen Adam for having to step out during her speech. I will look it up, I as...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The debate has been thoughtful, and I thank members from all parties for their contributions. Everyone who spoke did so out of a genuine concern for children...