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Meeting of the Parliament 17 February 2026 [Draft]

17 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I begin these stage 3 proceedings by thanking the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her team for the many conversations that we have had about the bill over a very short period of time. I am grateful for that. We will come on to some of the areas of disagreement and agreement, but I want to put that on record. I am also grateful to my colleagues on the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee and to all the organisations that have contributed so much to the development of amendments and by giving their views on the bill.

I turn to the first group. In giving children and young people the right to withdraw, it is important that we are absolutely clear about the meaning and character of religious education. As a result of stage 2 amendments that I lodged and that were supported, children and young people will have additional rights around withdrawal from religious observance but not religious education. We should not force children and young people into religious observance, which is also understood as worship, but it is equally important that they cannot withdraw from religious education, which is a core part of the curriculum.

As a society that respects those of all faiths or of no faith, and those who are not sure, it is important that children and young people receive education in different faith and non-faith beliefs. It is also important that they receive education to understand the diverse society in which we all live. However, in the bill, the remaining references to religious education use the original terminology of the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 of “religious instruction”, which is an ambiguous phrase that could blur the important distinction between religious education and religious observance. My amendments 6 and 11 are tidying up exercises to avoid that confusion.

Amendment 22 is aimed at facilitating the exercise of the rights in the bill. Parents and pupils cannot meaningfully exercise those rights unless they know when religious observance is happening and what form it will take. Therefore, amendment 22 would require all grant-funded schools, except denominational schools, to inform parents and pupils at least 14 days before any planned religious observance in the school about the format and content of that observance and any alternative learning provision for pupils who are withdrawn. The amendment would also require an assessment of whether the information that is conveyed in any planned religious observance in the school is

“sufficiently objective, critical and pluralistic”.

Amendment 22A would apply that provision to denominational schools as well.

A court judgment recently ruled that the parental right to withdraw from religious observance is a necessary but insufficient mechanism for protecting parents’ and children’s human rights and that the observance must be objective, critical and pluralistic. Amendment 22 would support best practice and ensure that all pupils can take part without compromise to their personal beliefs. In cases in which elements of an RO activity might not meet the criteria that the court specified—that is, if it involves asking pupils to pray, worship, sing hymns or affirm their belief in God—parents and pupils will be empowered to act in line with their conscience.

Turning to the other amendments in the group, amendment 21, which was lodged by Elena Whitham, is in the same vein and would require ministers to clarify what constitutes religious observance. I support that, in the belief that clarity is important.

I am unsure about the need for Paul O’Kane’s amendment 24, and I have a question as to whether it could confuse or potentially prevent certain things later on. If we wished to amend the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 later, how would his amendment interact with that? I would be grateful if the member could address those points now or in his contribution.

In the same item of business

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings of the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) B...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Group 1 is on the meaning and character of religious education and observance. Amendment 6, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is grouped with amendments 21, 11,...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin these stage 3 proceedings by thanking the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her team for the many conversations that we have had about t...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will, of course, refer to much of what Maggie Chapman described in my contribution in this group, so I do not intend to detain the chamber in that regard.H...
Maggie Chapman Green
I disagree. RE and RO do not have to be intrinsically linked, even in a denominational school. They might be, but they might not be.
Paul O’Kane Lab
Tomorrow is Ash Wednesday, which is a good example. In Catholic schools across the country, children will learn about Lent. They will learn about it in an ac...
Maggie Chapman Green
In his contribution, Paul O’Kane separated the two things out. Learning about one thing is not the same as practising it, which is what we need to be clear a...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I will restrict my comments to my amendment 21. I also declare an interest as a member of the Humanist Society Scotland.Amendment 21 would place a duty on Sc...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I add my thanks to all those who have been involved in the bill process. Scotland has a long tradition of providing parents and families with the option to s...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
I take Paul O’Kane’s point that the two are interlinked just now. Is he arguing that the two have to be interlinked, or could they be separated?
Paul O’Kane Lab
Mr Mason makes a fair point. I am arguing that the two should be interlinked. My understanding from my own education is that the two things are interlinked f...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I will limit my remarks to amendments 22 and 22A, on requiring schools to provide parents and children with detailed information about planned religious obse...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I will make a short contribution in support of amendment 24, in the name of Paul O’Kane. We are debating legislation on the right of a child to withdraw from...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
As we have heard this afternoon, Maggie Chapman’s amendments 6 and 11 would replace references to “religious instruction” with the term “religious education”...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I genuinely want the cabinet secretary’s help here, because my decision hinges on what she understands by the word “instruction”, as opposed to what she unde...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I accept Mr Simpson’s question and I recognise some of his concern. There is dubiety on that point from some stakeholders, as I have set out, and I have also...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary is talking about the guidance. What thought has been given to the depth of the guidance? As former teachers, she and I will both have r...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am sure that Mr Whitfield and I both have fond memories of the many in-service training days that we spent as teachers. I draw his attention to amendment 2...
Paul O’Kane Lab
Notwithstanding the cabinet secretary’s technical point about amendment 24, she seems to want to accept it in spirit. Will the Government support that amendm...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I very much appreciate the sentiment behind amendment 24. I make Mr O’Kane aware that I discussed the content of that amendment with the Scottish Catholic Ed...
Paul O’Kane Lab
The cabinet secretary supports amendment 21. Does she also recognise that the Scottish Catholic Education Service has suggested that the proposals that RO sh...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am not sure I would go as far as to recognise all of that critique, but I have discussed some of the challenges with SCES and directly with Barbara Coupar ...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I did not understand what you meant, cabinet secretary, when you spoke about the 1918 act. It is a century old, but it is still the law. It does not really m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Always through the chair.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The point that I was making is one that I have discussed with SCES. There is an issue in relation to drafting. I would have preferred it if Mr O’Kane and I h...
Maggie Chapman Green
My amendments 6 and 11 seek to clarify the terminology and help to modernise the language in the 1980 act. Religious instruction is often considered to be th...
Stephen Kerr Con
To be clear, I did not say that it is a mistake. I said that it was a technical issue. I hope that Maggie Chapman accepts that.
Maggie Chapman Green
I think that I heard the word “mistake”, but I accept what Stephen Kerr has now said in his intervention.Amendment 22 would support children’s rights under a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The question is, that amendment 6 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.