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Meeting of the Parliament 17 February 2026 [Draft]

17 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I thank Katy Clark for the way that she has gone about the business of progressing her member’s bill.

Trying to sum up my thoughts on FOI in four minutes will be difficult, but I will be brutally honest. I should mention at this stage that I was the minister in post when Katy Clark originally published her bill and was at an FOI conference where I proposed my ideas about how we could move forward and she proposed hers.

My opinion, which I have shared before, is that the current FOI regime, which has been in place for 20 years, remains fundamentally sound. It provides a strong and enforceable right to know how the Government and other public services operate, while at the same time including safeguards to protect genuinely sensitive information. I have said those things numerous times before.

I say clearly at the outset that I am not against the idea of openness or the reform of FOI—some media outlets would probably have said otherwise when I was the minister, but that was a them problem and not a me problem. The question before us today, as many others have already said, is whether the bill, in its current form, is the right vehicle to deliver change and whether Parliament has enough certainty about what that would mean in practice across the public sector.

The evidence heard by the committee repeatedly returned to the central issues of cost, burden and uncertainty. The bill goes well beyond making small technical adjustments to introduce new statutory obligations across the public sector, including requirements for proactive publication—which, incidentally, I always believed that the Government should have done anyway. It also includes compliance monitoring and the appointment of FOI officers. Whatever the actual intention behind those proposals is, there would be real consequences for staffing, training, governance and digital infrastructure, and we cannot pretend that those consequences would just disappear into existing budgets.

In the material it provided to the committee, the Scottish Government set out its case that the 2002 act’s section 60 code of practice provides good guidance but that the bill would introduce new statutory duties that would go beyond current practice, including creating a new legal duty of proactive publication under the enforceable publication code and the designation of FOI officers with defined responsibilities. My argument is that we are at a stage where public organisations already have people who do that. We often talk about culture change in organisations such as the Scottish Government, local authorities or other FOI-able organisations, but in order to have that culture change we must get beyond the idea that that is an addition to the job. FOI is not an addition to the job: it is part of the job, it is something that you have to do and it is a legal requirement.

At the same time, however, we have to strike the right balance, so that we do not take people away from their core duties and core jobs. I know the challenge that the Scottish Government faced during my time in post in trying to ensure that we issued the required 95 per cent of FOI responses in time. What does not help is that we live in a political environment where we have the likes of Douglas Lumsden using artificial intelligence to generate around 1,300 FOI requests over four months. There were 987 in January 2025 alone, and that cost £185,000. That is the kind of thing that we have to be very careful about.

Nobody in the chamber should be satisfied with the status quo in areas where improvement is needed. However, the question is not whether we should reform but how we reform. We must do that with the evidence in front of us and with the costs properly understood, and we must do it in a way that strengthens openness and practice, and not just on paper. That is the responsible and workable approach, and that is why I will not support the bill at stage 1.

15:05

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20815, in the name of Katy Clark, on the Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I call...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is almost 25 years since the passing of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002, also known as FOISA. My bill is not a criticism of that act, which...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
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Katy Clark Lab
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Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I rise as convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I thank everyone who contributed to the committee’s scrutiny of the bill a...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
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Graham Simpson Reform
Will the minister take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
Very briefly—if I get my time back, Presiding Officer.
Graham Simpson Reform
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Graeme Dey SNP
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Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
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Sue Webber Con
Will Patrick Harvie give way?
Patrick Harvie Green
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Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
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Sue Webber Con
Will the member accept an intervention?
Jamie Greene LD
I just do not have time unless I can get it back, and I can see the Deputy Presiding Officer giving me a no to that.I appreciate that Parliament will not hav...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
We now move to the open debate.15:01
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I thank Katy Clark for the way that she has gone about the business of progressing her member’s bill.Trying to sum up my thoughts on FOI in four minutes will...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by thanking my friend and comrade Katy Clark for taking up the challenge of reforming our freedom of information laws to be fit for the 21st century....
Sue Webber Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. In her remarks, the member stated that Lothian Buses is owned by the council in Edinburgh. She may want to correct th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Thank you. That is not a point of order, but it is on the record.15:09
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I congratulate Katy Clark on getting the bill to this stage, but I have to say that I feel for her after what she must have thought was quite a negative repo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
We move to closing speeches. I call Patrick Harvie, who has up to four minutes.15:13
Patrick Harvie Green
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
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Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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Graeme Dey SNP
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