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Meeting of the Parliament 10 February 2026 [Draft]

10 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

I have only five minutes, so I will stay on the topic. In addition, the standing orders say that we must speak to the motion. [Laughter.]

I will speak to a point that Murdo Fraser alluded to. An interesting alliance formed at some points during stage 2 when Richard Leonard, Murdo Fraser, Lorna Slater and I were all talking about shared objectives. Questions about how ownership is distributed, whether people are empowered and whether there are opportunities to maximise people’s potential are important, regardless of one’s political perspective. Whether one views oneself as a socialist, a social democrat, a capitalist or an environmentalist, the distribution of ownership matters, even if what that is called sometimes gets in the way.

I hope that community wealth building action plans will provide some focus, because if assets are not being used effectively and not being maximised, that comes at a cost to our local communities. Murdo Fraser gave one example and I heard another, of a local resident who simply wanted to put planters in a back green. That person was furiously trying to figure out who they needed to get permission from, but I do not think that that permission should be required at all. More than that, where there is common land or a common asset, we must ensure that we absolutely maximise opportunities for local people. That is what community wealth building is about.

When the bill was introduced, lots of people were scratching their heads about what community wealth building is. My concern is that there are probably places where community wealth building is being delivered without people even knowing, or that there are examples of it that we do not notice because we do not call them that. I would describe municipal ownership of the public bus service in Edinburgh as an example of long-standing community wealth building and one that we should support.

We must not make the mistake of thinking that legislating for community wealth building means that it will be delivered. If we look at the pillars of community wealth building—spending, workforce, land and property, inclusive ownership, and finance—we will see that the bill, at best, influences the first. If we are serious about effecting genuine community wealth building, a lot more must be done.

I am pleased with the improvements and think that the measurement provisions will genuinely improve matters, because having a consistent language of measurement will allow us to ensure that progress is made. Likewise, it is right that we review legislation such as the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015, because it is important that we will the means as well as will the motivation towards these things.

However, there is a risk that what we are enacting today will require a semi-regular conversation and the production of reports without necessarily willing the outcomes. There was a concern at the outset that we did not need legislation to do any of this and that having the Scottish Government set a ministerial direction with the right policies and oversight would be just as, if not more, effective. What is more to the point is that, in order to bring about community wealth building, the legislation will absolutely have to provide a focus. If it is simply passed and forgotten about, all this will have been for nothing.

The bill cannot be simply a legislative name check. There must be some serious thought about providing the means to explore things, enabling new legislative capacities—including compulsory sale orders—and looking further at how asset registers can be made more available to the public. We must think about how we can provide more mutualised models for the delivery of public services and how we can more broadly promote employee ownership and co-operatives. If we do not do those things, we will not make progress.

Labour will support the bill at decision time, but there is a huge amount of work to do once it is passed.

16:04

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20717, in the name of Ivan McKee, on the Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. I invite t...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
I begin by thanking the Economy and Fair Work Committee for its scrutiny of the Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill. I also highlight the input from Ri...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Just to make it clear, the Scottish Conservatives will be supporting the bill at stage 3, in a short time—as, indeed, we did at stage 1, when we backed the b...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I very much agree with Murdo Fraser’s point. Does he agree that we must use initiatives such as this to almost tip the balance? All too often, communities fe...
Murdo Fraser Con
That is a very reasonable point. The land that I was talking about was private land and not publicly owned land, but the same principle applies. We have a lo...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank the Economy and Fair Work Committee, our clerks and everyone who gave evidence. It is something of a relief not to speak in the debate as the c...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will Daniel Johnson give way on that point?
Daniel Johnson Lab
Well, it depends on which point.
Stephen Kerr Con
I think that we would like to hear Daniel Johnson speak more often about what he really thinks, particularly in the light of recent events.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I have only five minutes, so I will stay on the topic. In addition, the standing orders say that we must speak to the motion. Laughter.I will speak to a poin...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
For the first time since I became an MSP, my husband came to me and said, “Is this thing on TikTok about you?” He was referring to a video from someone outsi...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
We move to the open debate.16:08
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
Mercifully, Mrs Hepburn has not yet brought to my attention any TikTok videos about my endeavours, but there might be time yet.At its heart, community wealth...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is true that the bill is in better shape than it was when it was introduced by the Government, but I cannot help but be reminded of the phrase that Aneuri...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. We now move to closing speeches.16:17
Lorna Slater Green
The report that has been referenced by several colleagues, “Developing Scotland’s Economy: Increasing the Role of Inclusive and Democratic Business Models”, ...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill is not just a means of trading a slogan; it represents a recognition that Scotland’s wealth is based in the loc...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Yesterday, I went to see my 92-year-old aunt. She is a remarkable woman: independent, sharp minded and proud of standing on her own two feet. She still lives...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Stephen Kerr Con
In a second. It is ironic that, while we have been talking about those things, a local authority in Scotland is procuring food for meals on wheels from hundr...
Kate Forbes SNP
Yesterday, I formally opened the new Inverness Castle Experience, which has a cafe with a menu that has a detailed description of where all the food comes fr...
Stephen Kerr Con
Hallelujah!
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
That is the good food nation for you.
Stephen Kerr Con
Yes, the good food nation and all that stuff—excellent.However, my point is about the gap between rhetoric—in which we specialise—and reality. Such a gap is ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Keep going.
Stephen Kerr Con
Listen, there is not going to be a division on that, okay? Laughter.Believing in those things means being serious about delivery. It means asking whether leg...
Ivan McKee SNP
I would like to thank all members for what has been, by and large, a constructive debate. I think that it is true to say that there is consensus that communi...