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Meeting of the Parliament 10 February 2026 [Draft]

10 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

The Government is not in a position to support Richard Leonard’s amendments 1 and 5, which seek to introduce additional measures into both the community wealth building action plans and the ministerial statement. Although I understand that the member’s intention is to increase direct service provision by the public sector, the amendments do not define what is meant by “in-sourcing” or “outsourcing”, nor do they clarify which services are being referred to. Without clear definitions, the scope and practical implications are uncertain.

Amendments 1 and 5 also refer to services that are provided by the community wealth building partnerships. In practice, a partnership itself would not deliver services—delivery would sit with individual public bodies such as local authorities. The member has given some good examples of where in-sourcing has taken place and I commend him for raising the issue, but, as I said, the Government cannot accept the amendments as drafted.

Turning to amendments 2, 13, 6 and 17, we fully recognise the important role that credit unions and other co-operative financial institutions can play in supporting community wealth building. The amendments on that issue that were lodged at stage 2 could not be supported, largely because they would have placed statutory duties on ministers and the community wealth building partnerships in ways that would risk cutting across established financial regulatory frameworks and the operational independence of lenders.

Paul Sweeney’s amendments 13 and 17 relating to financial institutions represent a proportionate and workable approach in comparison with Richard Leonard’s amendments 2 and 6, as they would support access to finance aligned with community wealth building objectives without creating unintended statutory or regulatory consequences.

Financial mutuals play an important role in the UK’s financial services industry and include building societies, credit unions, mutual insurers and friendly societies, co-operative and community benefit societies and funeral-plan providers. They are owned by their members, with deep roots in communities, and that ownership model means that they can focus on delivering value exclusively to their members and provide access to financial services that may not otherwise be available. As such, they support the generation, circulation and retention of wealth in their communities.

The Scottish Government regularly engages with the financial services sector, including mutuals and regulators, to identify and raise specific needs of consumers, communities and organisations based in, and operating in, Scotland. Although my position is to oppose amendments 2 and 6 in the name of Richard Leonard, the Scottish Government is open to working with the member and with other colleagues to identify how best to use our engagement with the sector and the regulator to unlock the barriers that exist and to support investment by financial mutuals in our communities.

On amendments 14 and 18, I consider the term “investment” to be sufficiently broad and appropriate in this context. It is already part of the wider community wealth building framework that investment activity must support local benefit and the retention of wealth in communities in line with the community wealth building approach. In my view, the term does not imply support for extractive or externally driven investment models. The wider purpose and principles of community wealth building make it clear that activity must align with inclusive, locally rooted economic outcomes. I do not understand the distinction between investment on the one hand and funding and finance on the other. The current wording is wider, more accurate and better aligned with the aims of the bill, so the Government cannot support the amendments in Lorna Slater’s name.

In the same item of business

14:23
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on measures that may be taken. Amendment 1, in the name of Richard Leonard, is grouped with amendments 2, 13, 14, 5, 6, 17 and 18.
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will speak to amendment 1 and the other amendments in my name in this group.The purpose of amendments 1 and 5 is to challenge the outsourcing of public ser...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I will speak to amendments 13 and 17, which are in my name. They would both insert “co-operative financial institutions” into the measures that are associate...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
My amendments 14 and 18 would replace the word “investment” with the words “funding and finance”. The line that is affected, which reads“promoting access to ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I think that Lorna Slater is speaking to an amendment that is not in this group. I just wanted to make that clear.
Lorna Slater Green
My apologies—I was speaking to amendment 16, and the member is right: I was looking at the wrong grouping. I thank Mr Kerr.
The Minister for Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
The Government is not in a position to support Richard Leonard’s amendments 1 and 5, which seek to introduce additional measures into both the community weal...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Richard Leonard to wind up and indicate whether he wishes to press or withdraw amendment 1.
Richard Leonard Lab
I must say that it is interesting that the minister recognises examples of in-sourcing, some of which have been conducted by his own Government, but then goe...
Ivan McKee SNP
More accurately, I said that the member had not accurately defined in-sourcing in his amendments.
Richard Leonard Lab
On the one hand, we are told that this is a general permissive piece of legislation and that we cannot have too much prescription in it. However, now, I am b...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 1 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. As this is the first division of the stage, I will suspend the meeting for around five minutes to allow members to access the digit...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We come to the vote on amendment 1, in the name of Richard Leonard. Members should cast their votes now.
ForChoudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Ind)Clark, Katy (West Scotland) (Lab)Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)Griffin, Mar...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 13, Against 82, Abstentions 0.Amendment 1 disagreed to.Amendment 2 moved—Richard Leonard.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 2 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division.
ForChoudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Ind)Clark, Katy (West Scotland) (Lab)Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)Greene, Jami...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 14, Against 83, Abstentions 0.Amendment 2 disagreed to.Amendment 13 moved—Paul Sweeney—and agreed to.Amendment 14 moved—Lo...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 14 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division.
ForChapman, Maggie (North East Scotland) (Green)Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Gr...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 6, Against 91, Abstentions 0.Amendment 14 disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is on targets, indicators and reporting. Amendment 3, in the name of Richard Leonard, is grouped with amendments 4, 19, 7, 20, 28, 29, 10, 30 to 32 a...
Richard Leonard Lab
Amendment 3 simply seeks to set a target of doubling the size of the worker co-operative and employee ownership sector in Scotland by 2030, and then to revis...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I have four amendments in this group, all of which basically deal with the same point.At stage 2, I lodged an amendment requiring community wealth building p...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
In many ways, I pick up where Murdo Fraser left off. One of the committee’s key concerns or observations during stages 1 and 2 was that, without any system o...