Committee
Education, Children and Young People Committee 04 February 2026 [Draft]
04 Feb 2026 · S6 · Education, Children and Young People Committee
Item of business
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning. I am pleased that we start by, I hope, putting kinship care at the heart of the bill, as Jeremy Balfour said. I recognise what the minister said about wanting to improve the situation. I was a member of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee alongside Jeremy Balfour—and, I think, the minister—when we took evidence from families. That was some of the most compelling evidence that I have heard. As a committee, we promised that we would take that with us through Parliament, so I am pleased that we have this opportunity to start that process as part of the bill.The intention behind my amendment 126 is to require the Scottish Government to take steps to make sure that kinship carers can more easily and accessibly find and access support. “The Promise” says:“The Care Review has heard from many kinship families about the lack of support they have in caring for children and the fear they sometimes have of asking for help.”It also says:“Support must recognise the particular challenges that can exist for kinship carers. There must be a recognition that kinship carers may be caring for deeply traumatised children and that they may experience their own pain at the consequences of family breakdown.”As has been said, Scotland’s care system depends heavily on kinship carers. It is already the most common care arrangement in the country, covering 35 per cent of looked-after children in our community, so it is important that we consider how the bill will strengthen arrangements and information sharing.The minister highlighted the use of the word “local”. I included that in amendment 126 because it is important to look at support for kinship care nationally. In my region of Lothian, such support is more easily accessible than it is in the Highlands and Islands, for example. We need to consider how support is provided at a local level and nationally co-ordinated. I wanted to capture both of those aspects in the amendment.From evidence that parliamentary committees have taken over many years, it is clear that the offering to kinship carers is not what it should be. The informal arrangements around kinship care often present issues in that regard, but that should not prevent the bill, or all of us, from trying to improve the offering to ensure that support is provided not only in a crisis situation but in a preventative way.I am happy to work with the minister on tidying up the amendment and to have further discussions before stage 3. I hope that, at the end of the process, the offering for kinship carers will be a really improved part of the Promise and the bill. We need to turn some of this on its head, and we need our public services to intervene earlier. For the Promise to be a success, we need to radically change the way in which kinship carers are supported and seen by public services. Amendment 126 seeks to do that, and I am happy to work with the minister to try to improve it.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Douglas Ross)
Con
Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2026.Today is the first day of our stage 2 proceedings...
The Convener
Con
Welcome back. We move to our stage 2 consideration of the bill. Amendment 87, in the name of Sue Webber, is grouped with amendment 225.
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con)
Con
It is nice to be back here in committee room 1 on a Wednesday morning.My amendment 87 seeks to place prevention, minimum intervention and family reunificatio...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Ind
I have some sympathy for the idea of having general principles in a bill. However, Sue Webber mentioned prevention, and subsection (2)(e) in her amendment 87...
Sue Webber
Con
A whole host of things could come under the banner of preventative measures. However, far too often, those preventative measures are not fully funded. We wil...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
We are talking about young people and so we have to go back to the basis of getting it right for every child. The individual support and assessment that one ...
Sue Webber
Con
Mr Whitfield is right. We hear time and again that it is about getting it right for every child, and every child is different and every family circumstance i...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests, which shows that my husband is a service manager in children and families social work and...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green)
Green
I have a lot of sympathy with what Paul O’Kane has outlined. My concern is the feedback that we have had from so many people in the care-experienced communit...
Paul O’Kane
Lab
I recognise Ross Greer’s point and some of the concern about renaming the bill. I have heard the flip side of that, too. I have met many care-experienced peo...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes)
SNP
In the first instance, I thank Sue Webber for explaining the rationale behind amendment 87. I agree that the welfare of a child or young person should be par...
Sue Webber
Con
Surely, for the sake of transparency and accountability, all the preventative measures that are considered should be documented somewhere, so that there is a...
Natalie Don-Innes
SNP
That may be, and I would be happy to debate that with Ms Webber, but I do not feel that the child’s plan is the right place for that.Under current legislatio...
Paul O’Kane
Lab
In her opening remarks, the minister referred to the fact that she has referred to the bill as “the Promise bill”, both at the committee and in the chamber. ...
Natalie Don-Innes
SNP
As I have just laid out, I do not believe that the bill is the be-all and end-all of delivering the Promise. As I have stated in committee before, a huge amo...
Paul O’Kane
Lab
I do not think that anyone is suggesting that the bill is the be-all and end-all. In fact, we are quite far away from that. However, thinking about a stateme...
Natalie Don-Innes
SNP
I understand the intent behind the proposal, as I think I have said clearly. However, given the feedback that I have heard from young people on what the bill...
Sue Webber
Con
I will keep my remarks brief, because I know that we have lots to do.I am curious to know where the minister thinks that information about preventative measu...
The Convener
Con
The question is, that amendment 87 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Convener
Con
There will be a division.
ForBriggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)AgainstAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Dunbar, Jacki...
The Convener
Con
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 7, Abstentions 0.Amendment 87 disagreed to.
The Convener
Con
Amendment 1, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendments 2 to 4 and 126. I call the minister to move amendment 1 and speak to all the amendments ...
Natalie Don-Innes
SNP
Moved.
The Convener
Con
I am asking you to move amendment 1 and speak to all the amendments in the group.
Natalie Don-Innes
SNP
Sorry, convener, I was a little bit behind—I am organised now.I welcome the opportunity to speak to this group of amendments, which relates to kinship care a...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Ind)
Ind
Good morning. Amendment 4 seeks to ensure that kinship carers are on an equal footing with others who provide care, such as foster carers. Both take in child...
John Mason
Ind
I accept that the issue is not just about finance, but it partly is. Does Jeremy Balfour have any idea about what the proposal would cost?
Jeremy Balfour
Ind
At the moment, the cost is being met by each local authority, because the Scottish Government is funding it, so there is no cost. In addition, it cannot be b...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con)
Con
Good morning. I am pleased that we start by, I hope, putting kinship care at the heart of the bill, as Jeremy Balfour said. I recognise what the minister sai...