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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 20 January 2026 [Draft]

20 Jan 2026 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
Neurodivergence
Dr Boeing Watch on SPTV
It is a fascinating question, and people have very different feelings about it. We must be sensitive to what an individual wants or needs, because this is all part of their story and identity. It is not for us to ordain somebody with a diagnosis. There should be a collaborative process, with decisions being shared. Together, we should create that story as we listen and inquire. That should be at the heart of the process.However, the reality is that things have been very process driven and there have been bottlenecks in getting a diagnosis, so there is absolutely no way that we will be able to use diagnoses to address the current waiting list. More than 40,000 children are waiting for some form of neurodevelopmental assessment, and I suspect that that is just the tip of the iceberg, given the issue with underrecording in the data collection systems.It is more important that children have their needs met when they have a need. Those needs will change over time, because, by definition, children change as they grow and develop. Expectations of them change, grow and develop over time, and they get much more sensitive to what other people around them are doing. They might be completely dependent on their carers, but they are obligated to go to school or access education. Therefore, those children’s lives are different.For example, a kid who has a communication disorder will have issues with understanding language, which is a crucial interface with the world. If those issues are not understood early, people will keep talking at that kid, expecting them to answer, so they will become more and more stressed and overwhelmed. It is crucial that those issues are recognised and that someone with specialist expertise helps that kid and the people around them to understand. The communication around that kid should be adapted to help them to cope with, enjoy and thrive in their environment.09:45If children can access that kind of understanding as they go along, that will translate into three key transitions as they go through nursery, primary school, high school and college. If their profile and neurotype are understood and people around them get them, life will go better, because they can thrive and grow as they develop. That should be the case whether or not it leads, at some point, to a diagnosis.The two big diagnoses that we talk about a lot are autism and ADHD, but there are lots of different neurodevelopmental conditions and profiles. It is more about having a good understanding of the child. If a child has had that recognition, had their needs met and been understood as they go along—for example, they are making it into school with adaptations, or people know to use visuals instead of tonnes of words—and therefore are not, we hope, suffering the sequelae of not being understood, that means that when it comes to whatever point in their life that a diagnostic assessment might be helpful, it is much easier and less time-consuming for the people who do the diagnostic assessment.We would advocate for pathways for assessment that build on themselves. Sometimes, if we really, really know the kids, we might be able to do quite an abbreviated, quick diagnostic assessment, confirming what everybody knows. I would have the families right at the heart of this, as well. Sometimes, undoubtedly, it is incredibly complicated. I am dazzled every day by the complexity of some of the children who I work with, so there is a place for detailed, complex and on-going assessments as we try to understand some children. It is a process, but we need to make sure that they get what they need as they go along, because it will change over time.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP
Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2026 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Paul O’K...
Dr Jim Crabb (Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland)
I would be glad to. Thank you so much for allowing us to come and give evidence on this issue, which is probably one of the widest and most pressing issues t...
Dr Leonie Boeing (Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland)
I echo those thanks for convening this meeting and giving us so much time to present our evidence. As a bit of background, I have been a consultant child and...
The Convener SNP
We move to questions from committee members, beginning with Maggie Chapman.
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Good morning to you both. Thank you for being here today and for the detail in your report.I am interested in a couple of different areas, one of which is di...
Dr Crabb
That is a huge area. It is not an either/or situation; it is an and situation. That is one of the challenges. We are taught, particularly in the UK, to think...
Maggie Chapman Green
I will pick up on the second example that you gave. Clearly, in that case, a diagnosis was essential to opening up care packages. I am not at all trying to d...
Dr Crabb
Absolutely. We have recommended that as one of the 10 pillars of work that are needed across society. We should take a needs-based approach to support in sch...
Dr Boeing
It is a fascinating question, and people have very different feelings about it. We must be sensitive to what an individual wants or needs, because this is al...
Maggie Chapman Green
Thanks to both of you—that is helpful. You talked about meeting needs when they arise. Some children go on to the waiting list as teenagers and, if current w...
Dr Crabb
The work is absolutely consistent with the pillars of work that we recommended in our multisystem report, which was published in October. As you pointed out,...
Maggie Chapman Green
Thanks very much. Do you have anything to add, Leonie?
Dr Boeing
We need to adapt support for kids. The context is school, education and the need to mobilise the third sector. I have never met a more passionate, motivated,...
Dr Crabb
It is about equality of access, which is why we need central commissioning in this area—the landscape is currently so fragmented. We have more than 32 differ...
Dr Boeing
One size will not fit all for every area. If we look at the workforce issues that exist, we can see that some areas have no child and adolescent psychiatrist...
Maggie Chapman Green
Your comments—especially your point about the fact that inclusion is good for everyone, regardless of diagnosis or condition—provide a helpful foundation for...
The Convener SNP
Before we move on to questions from Tess White, Paul McLennan has a supplementary.
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
When I met you guys, a key thing that came through in our discussion was the need for a multi-agency approach. I think that you are right to say that the Gov...
Dr Boeing
Yes, and that is a massive issue that we have been talking about for decades. It is an issue across the board, but I agree that there needs to be a universal...
Dr Crabb
To follow on from that, it is one of those situations in which the answer is, “Yes—and”. We always need more people in the workforce and we need to plan for ...
Paul McLennan SNP
Thank you—that is very helpful.
The Convener SNP
We now have questions from Tess White.
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
A few things that you have said have really resonated, and I thank you for the report. I want to pick up the point about what humans need to grow and thrive....
Dr Crabb
The answer is yes. Research comes out all the time, but we have done rapid reviews of the evidence and have worked with colleagues in NHS Inform to update it...
Tess White Con
Noise is another issue, as Dr Boeing said. I wonder whether, when schools were designed to be open plan, anyone actually thought about the human factors.I wa...
Dr Boeing
It is not my area of expertise, but research has shown that ultra-processed foods are linked to increased mental distress and have an effect on performance, ...
Tess White Con
They used to play outside.
Dr Boeing
The digital stuff is a real hot potato at the moment, but there is a lot of work going on in that area. There is also a degree of urgency. Dr Jim Crabb is pa...
Dr Crabb
I am. We have the lessons from history. There was literally no argument about cigarette smoking and lung disease, but we waited decades before anything was d...
Tess White Con
You talked about 45,000 people waiting for diagnosis, and I think that more than half of them are children. Is there a huge risk arising from the fact that p...