Committee
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 13 January 2026
13 Jan 2026 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
Public Sector Equality Duty
John Wilkes
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On your question about what we are doing, we recognise that many stakeholders think that we are not doing enough, but a lot of what we do is done behind the scenes. We get regular inquiries from members of the public or organisations about local authority X, health board Y or the police not having followed the guidance—a lot of that goes on—which says to me that there is increasing awareness about the role of the public sector equality duty. We follow up on those cases.A good example of our work is the work that we have done with the Scottish Funding Council, which is the funder and part regulator of the higher and further education sector in Scotland. The Scottish Funding Council’s response to our inquiry in 2020-21 on racial harassment in universities was to ask what it could do to combat that. We entered into a formal memorandum of understanding, whereby we work with the Funding Council and, through it, the higher and further education sector to develop appropriate national equality outcomes for the sector. That does not prevent individual universities and further education institutions from developing other equality outcomes, but we think that a sectoral approach to some of the issues is a good one.We have recently reviewed that approach. We have been through one cycle and have just started the second cycle, which involved setting equality outcomes for the 2025 period. I might get the numbers wrong, but something like 40 out of the 42 institutions involved have adopted the national equality outcomes. We are currently doing a bit of evaluation research, which we hope to publish later, about the effectiveness and impact of the equality outcomes in the first cycle. That is an example of our work with a specific sector in the public sector.Another example is from, I think, 2022. We were drawn to the clear fact that integration joint boards, which commission social care in Scotland, did not understand that they have responsibilities under the PSED. We found that something like 30 out of 31 of them were not meeting their PSED obligations, so we approached the sector and worked with chief executives, boards and staff for a year to help them to understand their obligations and how to meet them. When we revisited the issue last year, I think that all the integration joint boards were compliant with the basic PSED standards. Those are examples of our targeted work.If public bodies are failing to a greater extent, we can use our enforcement powers, which Jennifer can talk about. In the past few years, there have been examples of organisations that we have worked with—the Scottish Qualifications Authority and the Scottish Legal Aid Board spring to mind—because, for different reasons, they were failing in their PSED responsibilities. In such cases, we set up a section 23 agreement, whereby an organisation agrees to work with us on an agreed plan.Those are some examples of how we approach such situations. There is an on-going issue about the production and updating of guidance and the various things that go along with that.10:15On the second part of your question, I refer to the comments that I made in my opening statement. There is still a lot of work to do to help public bodies to understand why the duties are important and what their obligations are. However, we are fortunate in Scotland that we have the secondary duties, because that has helped public bodies to better understand the requirements. If we compare that with the work of our EHRC colleagues in England, where there is not the same landscape of secondary duties, we can see some of the differences and some of the advantages that we have, but there is still a long way to go.There is still very much a focus on process in relation to the PSED. Public bodies are very used to processes, so they see the duty as another process that they have to follow, rather than seeing it as a tool to help them to address certain equality or discrimination issues over longer periods.I do not know whether—
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The Convener (Karen Adam)
SNP
Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2026, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies...
John Wilkes (Equality and Human Rights Commission)
Thank you very much, convener. Happy new year to the committee.We thank the committee for the opportunity to comment on your report on the effectiveness of t...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you very much.We will move to questions. The committee found that the PSED is not delivering its aim to improve outcomes for people with protected char...
John Wilkes
Gosh—there are a number of reasons. In many public bodies, there is still a fundamental lack of understanding about what the public duties are there to do. S...
Jennifer Laughland (Equality and Human Rights Commission)
I do not think so. That was quite a comprehensive answer.
The Convener
SNP
Tess White will ask the next questions.
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
John, should I address you as John or as Mr Wilkes?
John Wilkes
John.
Tess White
Con
Thank you. Is it the same for you, Jennifer?
Jennifer Laughland
Yes.
Tess White
Con
Thank you.This has been a long-awaited evidence session—we have been waiting for almost a year—so thank you for coming this morning.What is the EHRC doing to...
John Wilkes
On your question about what we are doing, we recognise that many stakeholders think that we are not doing enough, but a lot of what we do is done behind the ...
Tess White
Con
We are pressed for time.
John Wilkes
Sorry.
Tess White
Con
Jennifer, we will cover the outcomes later, so perhaps we can focus on the immediate question for now. As a region MSP, I cover several educational authoriti...
John Wilkes
In response to the Supreme Court judgment of last year, which is what I think you are referring to—
Tess White
Con
I am referring to the short-life working group.
John Wilkes
The Government has stated that it accepts the outcome of the judgment, and that, to address it, it has set up a short-life working group to look across the s...
Tess White
Con
The way I interpret that answer is that not much has happened with the short-life working group. It has stalled and has not had much engagement, and it is al...
John Wilkes
I would not articulate it like that, no. Our role is not to be part of the working group or to check its homework. We have urged the group to do as swiftly a...
Tess White
Con
The website says that the EHRC is a key stakeholder—my definition of a key stakeholder seems to be different from the one that is being used there—and that M...
John Wilkes
Yes.
Tess White
Con
Thank you; you have answered the question.As you have mentioned, following the Supreme Court judgment, the law is clear. Has the EHRC started work on an awar...
John Wilkes
The main thing that we have done since the judgment is update the code of practice on services, which we had been working on anyway. In 2024, we reviewed the...
Jennifer Laughland
We are working on the schools’ technical guidance in England, Scotland and Wales, and the employment code is part of our planned programme of work. I might h...
Tess White
Con
If you can, that would be good, thank you. It is mentioned on the short-life working group’s website.MSPs regularly engage with the IJBs, chief executives an...
John Wilkes
We help employers in a number of ways, mainly through the guidance that we produce. There are thousands of employers across Scotland and Britain. Some are in...
Tess White
Con
That is fine; that is a private sector example. However, there are more than 100 public sector organisations in Scotland, and I would have expected the EHRC ...
Jennifer Laughland
As John Wilkes mentioned earlier, we issue guidance on the public sector equality duty that covers the duty of public sector organisations to do things such ...
Tess White
Con
But the Supreme Court judgment was just a clarification of the law. The legislation has been in place since 2010. Under the Equality Act 2010, there are nine...