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Meeting of the Parliament 24 June 2025

24 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I thank the cabinet secretary for that clarification. I am pleased that she will listen to and take seriously what is being said.

The Education, Children and Young People Committee’s stage 1 report identified one issue above all others: public confidence will not be restored while the same body both awards and accredits our national qualifications. That conclusion echoed the OECD review and Professor Ken Muir’s report, and it is what almost every stakeholder told the committee.

Each source, expert and stakeholder reached the same judgment: independent scrutiny of standards is crucial. The bill, as amended at stage 2, leaves the scrutiny function with the qualifications body. Our view, which is in line with that of experts, is that that position is no longer defensible.

Although changes have been made to qualifications Scotland—I thank the cabinet secretary and other members for working with us to improve what we can, including on the governance of the body—it will have the same functions as the SQA. Indeed, if the accreditation arm is left with qualifications Scotland, it will have entirely the same functions as the SQA. If that happens, there will be no independent scrutiny. Furthermore, as we will debate in group 21, there is nothing in the bill as it stands to guarantee that a fresh look at the leadership will be taken.

We have been left with the SQA—the body has not really been abolished, although notable improvements have been made to its governance—in a landscape that leaves the job half done. I am disappointed that the Government has not come forward at stage 3 with the changes that it promised members at stage 2.

I cannot support the amendments in the name of Willie Rennie or Ross Greer, because they do not deliver change. I am sorry to say this, but they are a poor compromise with the Government that falls far short of expectations and legislates for a review, not reform.

I am disappointed that the Greens and Liberal Democrats gave in for so little. They will argue that the Government has moved, but all that we have got out of the Government here is handout amendments that promise a review, which might result in yet another piece of legislation that will not even be considered during this session of Parliament—another example of jam tomorrow. Those amendments might also still leave the accreditation function with the qualifications body. That is very disappointing indeed.

We should not be legislating to have a review; we have had reviews. Furthermore, such a review should not need legislation. The previous reviews did not, and today, we should be legislating to give effect to those reviews.

I urge members to reject amendments that fall far short of reform and instead support the amendments in my name. We should make law today that delivers the education landscape that we need for the future—one that supports staff and pupils and is best geared towards ensuring that our young people are set on the path to success, with world-class education in a system that is designed to deliver it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Education (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Group 1 is on support needs. Amendment 1, in the name of Miles Briggs, is grouped with amendments 5, 165 to 168, 321, 248, 249 and 76.
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
In the interests of brevity, I will try to speed up my comments during the rest of the afternoon. I was pleased to lodge this suite of amendments following ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
First, let me say a huge thank you to the legislation team, who have been working day and night to support members across the chamber with the amendments tha...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Mr Briggs and Ms Duncan-Glancy for setting out their amendments. I put on the record my sincere thanks to Scottish Government officials in the legisl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Miles Briggs to wind up and say whether he wishes to press or withdraw amendment 1.
Miles Briggs Con
I have nothing further to add, and I press the amendment. Amendment 1 agreed to. Section 4—The accreditation function
Miles Briggs Con
I have nothing further to add, and I press the amendment. Amendment 1 agreed to. Section 4—The accreditation function
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Group 2 is on accreditation and quality assurance of qualifications. Amendment 98, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 125, 147, 154...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I ask members to please be patient and consider what I say carefully as I outline a number of the amendments in this group, which may take a bit of time. Th...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I ask members to please be patient and consider what I say carefully as I outline a number of the amendments in this group, which may take a bit of time. Th...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am happy to take Ross Greer’s intervention.
Ross Greer Green
Would the member join me in recognising the difference between accreditation and quality assurance? Simply moving the current accreditation function to any o...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Mr Greer is quite right in relation to higher history, but he did not point out that, although the SQA does not accredit or regulate our school qualification...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
We debated the issue at length at stage 2. I remind Pam Duncan-Glancy of correspondence that the committee and I received from Unite the Union, which represe...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that intervention, which I was prepared for. The cabinet secretary knows full well that the members of Unite in the Scottis...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Did the cabinet secretary wish to make an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
For the record, I was not laughing at the content of Ms Duncan-Glancy’s contribution.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that clarification. I am pleased that she will listen to and take seriously what is being said. The Education, Children an...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that clarification. I am pleased that she will listen to and take seriously what is being said. The Education, Children an...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
Did I mishear? I thought that I had just heard Pam Duncan-Glancy talk about making good law today. She and her party are voting against the bill, are they not?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary—
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will my colleague take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I will.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful—Interruption. I suggest that my colleague has articulated clearly the reason for her conclusion in the summation of her contribution. Had—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Resume your seat, Mr Whitfield. This will be a long afternoon and evening. It will be even longer if we do not listen to the member who has the floor, who, ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. I shudder at your premonition of how today might go. Had members listened to my colleague’s submission, they w...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention—I enjoy the unity that we have across Scottish Labour, which is not something that we always see across the Governme...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before calling the next speaker, I want members to reflect on the fact that discussions took place with business managers and members with key amendments abo...