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Meeting of the Parliament 17 June 2025

17 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 3
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

As the member will know, we will consider a number of amendments today that will strengthen the provisions, and I will come on to those. Having heard loud and clear that, legally, a mandatory implementation of areas of linguistic significance would not work, my responsibility was to try to strengthen the provisions as far as possible, just short of mandatory. That is the commitment that I gave to a number of groups and bodies that fed back on the impossibility of implementing the “must” phrasing. I will go through the other amendments, because some of them touch on that.

Emma Roddick’s amendments 17 to 21, along with the bill provisions as strengthened at stage 2, provide a welcome and essential focus on areas with important levels of Gaelic activity and important numbers of Gaelic speakers. There is a very clear message from Gaelic communities that that is an important requirement at this time. The provisions and amendments on areas of linguistic significance also provide important support for Gaelic initiatives that are in place, the work of community bodies and officers, and the development of Gaelic community plans. We are happy to support amendments 17 to 21.

We are very supportive of Pam Duncan-Glancy’s amendments 1 and 2. The bill is a wide-ranging one that touches on many areas of Gaelic and Scots activity, and community activity is hugely important. I welcome those amendments, which strengthen the focus and remind us that the impact of the provisions will be felt in communities. The amendments will also sit well with the provision whereby Bòrd na Gàidhlig can ask a local authority to consider designation if the bòrd considers that there is evidence of demand from those living in a local authority area.

I will move on to amendments 22 and 23. With amendment 22, there is an overlap with the provision that is already in the bill that requires Bòrd na Gàidhlig to make a request to an authority to consider making a designation if the bòrd considers that there is evidence of demand.

On amendment 22, there are some questions to raise. In the first place, the definition of community is very broad. There could also be questions about exactly what the area is for the requested designation, as we have touched on. The community request could be based on areas that are not recognised census areas, so relevant information on Gaelic skills would not be available, or the area requested could be too small for the practical implementation of programmes. At the same time, it would not be appropriate for a community group to request designation of the entire authority area if people in that group live only in one part of the local authority. For example, people living in Skye cannot request that the entire Highland Council area be designated as an area of linguistic significance. It is difficult to understand how that would work with the standards and the requirements that are to be made by regulation.

Also, amendment 22 does not contain a mechanism to prevent repeated requests, so a local authority could face multiple requests from small groups, which it would have to consider and publicise a decision on each time. The existing provision that provides for requests to be channelled through Bòrd na Gàidhlig is a more streamlined, evidence-driven and appropriate approach.

On amendment 23, at present, significant numbers of Gaelic development officers are in post and operating in communities. Bòrd na Gàidhlig was, for the start of the current financial year, provided with £0.5 million to support the Gaelic development officer scheme, and with a separate funding package of in the region of £500,000 to ensure that key Gaelic bodies had increased investment. That includes funding for bodies such as Comunn na Gàidhlig, which has in the region of 17 iomairtean officers across Gaelic-speaking communities.

At stage 2, the bill was amended to give Bòrd na Gàidhlig a duty to support communities with the preparation of community plans in particular areas. That will ensure that Bòrd na Gàidhlig works with the Gaelic development officers who are already in place.

Therefore, amendment 23 has a measure of overlap with provisions that are already in place. It would also introduce a burden on the authority to make an appointment at the point of designation. On the appointment of development officers, it would be unusual for central Government to regulate local authority staffing decisions. I would prefer to outline our priorities in the Gaelic strategy and standards and look to authorities and the bòrd to implement and interpret those. The regulations will make provision for what needs to happen in an area of linguistic significance, and it will be for local authorities to employ appropriate staff to fulfil those functions.

I am sorry, Presiding Officer, but I did warn you at the beginning that my comments on this group would be a bit longer.

On amendment 65, I thank Ross Greer for focusing on the important issue of community plans, which has come up time and again. I state for the record that the areas of linguistic significance will operate effectively only if we have community plans. The question is whether the amendment is the way to do it.

Amendment 65 overlaps with provisions that are already in the bill. At stage 2, the bill was amended to give Bòrd na Gàidhlig a duty to provide

“advice, assistance and support to any person in the preparation of a plan for the development or promotion of the Gaelic language, Gaelic education and Gaelic culture in relation to a community in a particular area.”

The amendments on guidance will also be important for that provision.

Guidance will be provided on how to determine which areas are appropriate for designation as an area of linguistic significance, which factors should be taken into account when making such determinations and the process for making them. In addition, standards will set out expectations of how public authority functions are to be exercised in those areas. If an area has been designated as an area of linguistic significance, the relevant authority’s Gaelic language plan must set out the measures that are to be taken in that area, and ministers may make further provision about the required content of Gaelic language plans in respect of areas of linguistic significance.

Those measures will have an important community impact. The current area of linguistic significance provisions are a package of mutually supportive measures that combine local authority decisions, Bòrd na Gàidhlig involvement, community activity and ministers’ interventions. As has been mentioned, planning and community involvement are points that will be followed up in guidance, and we will take our lead from the proposed stage 3 amendments on guidance on areas of linguistic significance.

Under the current provisions, the focus is on Bòrd na Gàidhlig supporting the wish that emerges from the community. Although the idea behind amendment 65 has much to commend it, it is preferable to have an initiative that originates in the community and is supported by Bòrd na Gàidhlig.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Scottish Languages Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Group 1 is on areas of linguistic significance. Amendment 13, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 14 to 18, 1, 2, 19 to 23 and 65.
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I will speak to amendments 13 to 16, 1 and 2, all in my name. Amendments 13 to 16 relate to the process by which areas will be designated as areas of linguis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Emma Roddick to speak to amendment 17 and other amendments in the group.
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Tapadh leibh, Oifigeir Riaghlaidh. The bill makes provision for local authorities to designate areas of linguistic significance. Those will be areas in which...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ross Greer to speak to amendment 65 and other amendments in the group.
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Feasgar math. Amendment 65 would require local authorities to develop local Gaelic plans for the designated areas of linguistic significance, in consultation...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Although this group will take slightly longer to deal with, and my remarks will therefore be longer than for the other groups, it is appropriate that we star...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the Deputy First Minister set out which part of amendment 13 is unclear? My understanding is that it is quite clear. It creates a specific definition ab...
Kate Forbes SNP
I thank the member for that question, because it is a helpful cue from which to proceed. The requirement in the amendment does not specify the size or the t...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am not sure that I entirely agree about the confusion, given that, on the most important part of the change, the bill already says that an “area may be des...
Kate Forbes SNP
Yes, but the fact that the amendment says “must” and would therefore create a mandatory obligation to designate an area would lead to huge questions about wh...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Kate Forbes SNP
I appreciate that the member disagrees with that and that she wants to intervene again. I am very happy to take that intervention.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
What process does the Deputy First Minister think there is for people who believe that their area should be designated? If the legislation says only that an ...
Kate Forbes SNP
As the member will know, we will consider a number of amendments today that will strengthen the provisions, and I will come on to those. Having heard loud an...
Ross Greer Green
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for offering points of reassurance around the guidance. Will she address my specific concern that there is a requireme...
Kate Forbes SNP
That is a very fair point. One criticism that has been made is that there is a lot of duplication and overlap. If we believe in grass-roots community work, w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to wind up and to press or seek to withdraw amendment 13.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I have listened carefully to the Deputy First Minister’s comments. She highlighted three specific backstops in the bill, but I would argue that those backsto...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The question is, that amendment 13 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
There will be a division. There will be a suspension to allow members to log in to the digital voting system. 16:03 Meeting suspended. 16:10 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the vote on amendment 13. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is closed.
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My system would not connect in time. If it had, I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Leonard. I will make sure that that is recorded.
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My apologies. My system was not updating. I would have voted no.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Slater. I will ensure that that is recorded.
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am having some issues with my app. I am not sure whether my vote registered.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can assure you that your vote was recorded, Mr Choudhury.
Foysol Choudhury Lab
Thank you.