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Meeting of the Parliament 25 November 2025

25 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Gilruth, Jenny SNP Mid Fife and Glenrothes Watch on SPTV

I will come on to talk about part 2 later, but I recognise that there are a number of different views, particularly about part 2 and on stakeholders’ views. I will continue to listen as the bill makes its way through the Parliament.

The bill serves two main purposes: first, to strengthen children’s rights in decisions about religious observance and religious and moral education; and, secondly, to clarify the legal duties of public authorities under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024 in situations where provisions in acts of the Scottish Parliament conflict with UNCRC obligations.

The bill is technical in nature, dealing with those two separate but related objectives, as is set out in parts 1 and 2, respectively. As such, the bill has been drafted very narrowly, and deliberately so, as it is intended to address those specific points within the current parliamentary session. However, I want to assure stakeholders and children and young people themselves that the bill does not mark the end of our efforts to strengthen and improve children’s rights.

Religious observance and religious and moral education are two distinct but important aspects of school education in Scotland. Sections 8 and 9 of the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 provide for the long-standing parental right to withdraw a pupil from religious observance and/or religious and moral education. Guidance on religious observance notes that pupils’ views should be considered in the withdrawal process. Currently, however, there is no requirement in legislation to consider them, and the decision rests entirely with the parent. Part 1 proposes to change that to provide a legal right for a child to be consulted where a parent has made a request to withdraw him or her from religious observance. That would provide certainty in the law that children and young people’s views should be considered when parents are exercising their withdrawal right. It does not introduce an independent right to withdraw for the child, nor does it alter the parent’s right to request a withdrawal. In practice, it also gives the child the ability to opt back in.

Without those changes, pupils might be denied those aspects of their education against their wishes, and their rights under the UNCRC might not be upheld. The committee has heard divergent views on the topic and, given that plurality of views, the Government’s approach is to chart a middle course: to strengthen children’s rights while balancing the three key considerations of parental rights, the recognition of stakeholder views and the practical implications for schools.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19866, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment o...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am pleased to present the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill. The bill is an importan...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Liberal Democrats will support the bill tonight, but we share the considerable concerns of stakeholders in the chamber and beyond it about part 2 and the Gov...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will come on to talk about part 2 later, but I recognise that there are a number of different views, particularly about part 2 and on stakeholders’ views. ...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to give way to Mr Whitfield.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary, given the plethora of choice that she had. The cabinet secretary has already spoken about the complexity between edu...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee raised and reported on that point. The 1980 act does not currently separate those two distinct parts...
Stephen Kerr Con
If we could go back to the issue of the rights of the child for a moment, I understand that that is a focus of the cabinet secretary’s speech, but she said t...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not necessarily follow Mr Kerr’s line of questioning. The amendment to the 1980 act that is being proposed does not allow children an independent right ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am mindful of the time, Presiding Officer, but I will do so.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving so much time to interventions. Does the Scottish Government recognise that the potential of the exemption t...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I thank Mr Whitfield for his question. In relation to the exemption being replicated in other legislation, it is important to note that a similar safeguard a...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would like to make some progress, but I am happy to take interventions in closing. Those organisations, as well as children and young people, have been br...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Karen Adam, on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. 14:37
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on the bill in my capacity as convener of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. It is a short bill wi...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
The member is linking religious observance and religious education, but questions have previously been raised about that. Did the committee look at that poin...
Karen Adam SNP
I will come to that point in my speech. The difference between religious observance and religious and moral education did come up in committee.
Stephen Kerr Con
The convener said that there is little or no data on withdrawals. Did the committee have any concerns about that? Why would we legislate in an area on which ...
Karen Adam SNP
We did not doubt that withdrawal is happening—there is evidence that it is. I was referring to the specific and particular data that we wanted to see in orde...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Does Karen Adam recognise that capacity is defined in several different age brackets by various acts of this Parliament? I have sought to clarify that and br...
Karen Adam SNP
It is not a committee bill—it is a Scottish Government bill. We had a great deal of discussion on the age at which a child could have capacity, but the major...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary opened her comments by saying that the issue is finely balanced and sensitive and that the Government has looked for a middle route. Ho...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Miles Briggs Con
I will.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am interested in Mr Briggs’s point, because our approach maintains that only parents may initiate a withdrawal from RO or RME. Mr Briggs also mentioned con...
Miles Briggs Con
I do not disagree with some of the points that the cabinet secretary has made. The issue is about balance. Earlier, she outlined a system of opt-in and opt-o...