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Meeting of the Parliament 28 January 2026

28 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Mountain, Edward Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I would like to keep this short. I want to point out some of the contradictions in the minister’s amendment 60 and speak to Douglas Ross’s amendments 149 to 151.

The minister will know that the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, as amended, through section 16(1), gives people the right to apply for licences to carry out activities that would not normally be allowed. The power to issue those licences was conferred on Scottish Natural Heritage, or NatureScot, under the Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011.

I have first-hand experience of applying for licences. When applying for licences, SNH is clear that, if a licence is being applied to control sawbill ducks, for example, counts must be carried out twice a year, with the information submitted to SNH. That is looked at over the whole catchment to see whether a licence should be issued. That is why amendment 60, which calls for reporting on population numbers, proves that there is an inadequacy. SNH is asking for full detailed counts, but the minister seems to think that it can do whatever it likes by simply producing a report.

Applying for licences is really difficult. I remember an incident in which a lady who cycled down a hill every day to get to work was attacked by a buzzard. First of all, it destroyed her cycling helmet. She was advised to take another route, but there was not one. The final advice from SNH, which refused to give a licence, was for her to cycle down the hill with an umbrella so that she would be protected from the buzzard. I say to the minister that that shows the inadequacy of SNH. If a human had attacked the lady and caused injuries, they would have been removed from that scenario and probably put in prison. However, it seemed fine for a buzzard to do that, because SNH did not want to issue a licence to control it.

I support Douglas Ross’s amendments 149 to 151. I do not really care where the licensing function goes, but all I know is that the licensing authority in NatureScot is dysfunctional.

I will leave it at that.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 11 is on gulls. Amendment 60, in the name of the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, is grouped with amendments 60A and 148 to 152.
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. This has perhaps just been corrected, but the clock was acting erratically. Can you confirm that the timings will be ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, Mr Ross. I will certainly ensure that we are aware of anything that needs to be checked. For information, the c...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I thought that the clerks were doing our job for us and rushing Mr Ross. Amendment 60 relates to the requirement for NatureScot to “prepare and publish a...
Douglas Ross Con
Does the minister accept that his amendment would delete what was approved by the committee at stage 2? I accept that Scottish National Party members voted a...
Jim Fairlie SNP
I take on board that Mr Ross was successful in having his amendment agreed to at stage 2, but there was still some confusion about what was being delivered. ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Douglas Ross to move amendment 60A and speak to all amendments in the group.
Douglas Ross Con
I will speak at length on this group of amendments, because I am glad that we are getting the chamber back to issues that are within the devolved competence ...
Jim Fairlie SNP
There are a couple of points there. The first is that the committee was very evenly split and the division was won on the deciding vote of the convener—I cou...
Douglas Ross Con
I will address both those points. First, as the convener of a committee, if I use my casting vote in favour of an amendment, that is still the committee’s vi...
Jim Fairlie SNP
Will Mr Ross take an intervention?
Douglas Ross Con
I will finish replying to the minister’s first intervention before taking a second one from him. On the second point, which was about wanting up-to-date and...
Jim Fairlie SNP
It does not matter.
Douglas Ross Con
Maybe the minister has accepted the argument. We are making progress at last. I urge members to vote in favour of amendment 60A—I think that that is the ame...
Douglas Ross Con
Maybe the minister has accepted the argument. We are making progress at last. I urge members to vote in favour of amendment 60A—I think that that is the ame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
As members will have noted, we have now passed the agreed time limit for the debate on this group. I have exercised my power under rule 9.8.4A(c) to allow th...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I am heartened that the minister now admits that there is a gull problem. We took a long time to get to that stage—we had to ask numerous questions and use p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call for brief contributions—first from Edward Mountain and then from Christine Grahame.
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I would like to keep this short. I want to point out some of the contradictions in the minister’s amendment 60 and speak to Douglas Ross’s amendments 149 to ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Deputy Presiding Officer, “gull management fund”—I have waited years for those three words to cross my lips. I want to speak about amendment 148. I know tha...
Douglas Ross Con
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Are you taking the intervention, Ms Grahame?
Christine Grahame SNP
It is only fair that I do—I have asked for costings.
Douglas Ross Con
If I had had more time—I have already tested the patience of the Presiding Officer—I might have gone into those issues. A lot of the work that Christine Grah...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please conclude, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
That was a valiant attempt at deflecting the question that I raised, but it was not clever enough. I know that you are very pernickety, Mr Ross, and that is ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As pernickety as I may be, I ask you to please speak through the chair.
Christine Grahame SNP
I apologise. We all know that Mr Ross is very pernickety, and that is a good thing in a legislator. However, as the member is pernickety, he should have bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I invite the minister to wind up on amendment 60.