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Meeting of the Parliament 28 January 2026

28 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

I am heartened that the minister now admits that there is a gull problem. We took a long time to get to that stage—we had to ask numerous questions and use parliamentary time to highlight the issue to the minister but, through amendment 60, he clearly recognises it. The culmination of the pressure from the Conservatives led to the gull summits, which at least allowed communities to have a say.

Amendment 152 provides that ministers should review the use of licences and the licence conditions in relation to the management of gulls. Specifically, it would require a report on the annual number of licence applications in each of the previous five years. The minister said that there is not a timeframe in the amendment, but I repeat that the amendment says that the report should be done every five years. The report should outline

“the number of applications rejected and approved”,

outline information on the conditions attached to the licences, consider

“problems faced by urban and coastal communities”

and question

“whether the licence conditions address any of those problems.”

I want to take the minister back to the point about how NatureScot was addressing the situation. As Douglas Ross said, it was suggesting ridiculous ways to deal with ground-nesting birds or to manage gulls. I repeat that advising using spaniels on scaffolding and dogs on drones was not meeting the needs of the community.

Before I outline my reasoning behind amendment 152, I acknowledge the recent engagement by the minister and NatureScot on the issue. Following pressure from members on the Conservative benches, regional round tables were hosted by NatureScot. Although I was unable to attend the summit in Eyemouth, I have heard from local businesses and residents that it was a step in the right direction. They noted that it is critical that the actions are discussed and followed up pre-season every year.

Despite acknowledging that aggressive gulls are a health and safety issue—which it also took us a long time to convince the minister of—NatureScot’s licensing process remains bureaucratic and inconsistent. I totally agree with my colleague Douglas Ross that NatureScot should be stripped of its powers, because there is a conflict of interest.

I want to take the minister back to 2024, when NatureScot issued only 505 licences for gull control, compared with more than 2,000 in the previous year. In addition, in 2024, only one licence was issued in the Borders, compared with 10 in the previous year. Communities need practical solutions to the issue. My amendments would provide clarity by reviewing the licensing process to ensure that it is suitable and accessible.

18:15  

Finally, I want to say how unfair the minister’s comment about my colleague Finlay Carson was. Yes, he is a Scottish Conservative. I am proud of what he does in the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. As convener, he has the casting vote; that is how the process works. Just because he is a Scottish Conservative does not mean that that vote is invalid. In any other committee, a similar vote would have been considered to be entirely valid, especially if Jim Fairlie was commenting on one that had been voted on by an SNP convener.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 11 is on gulls. Amendment 60, in the name of the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, is grouped with amendments 60A and 148 to 152.
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. This has perhaps just been corrected, but the clock was acting erratically. Can you confirm that the timings will be ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, Mr Ross. I will certainly ensure that we are aware of anything that needs to be checked. For information, the c...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I thought that the clerks were doing our job for us and rushing Mr Ross. Amendment 60 relates to the requirement for NatureScot to “prepare and publish a...
Douglas Ross Con
Does the minister accept that his amendment would delete what was approved by the committee at stage 2? I accept that Scottish National Party members voted a...
Jim Fairlie SNP
I take on board that Mr Ross was successful in having his amendment agreed to at stage 2, but there was still some confusion about what was being delivered. ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Douglas Ross to move amendment 60A and speak to all amendments in the group.
Douglas Ross Con
I will speak at length on this group of amendments, because I am glad that we are getting the chamber back to issues that are within the devolved competence ...
Jim Fairlie SNP
There are a couple of points there. The first is that the committee was very evenly split and the division was won on the deciding vote of the convener—I cou...
Douglas Ross Con
I will address both those points. First, as the convener of a committee, if I use my casting vote in favour of an amendment, that is still the committee’s vi...
Jim Fairlie SNP
Will Mr Ross take an intervention?
Douglas Ross Con
I will finish replying to the minister’s first intervention before taking a second one from him. On the second point, which was about wanting up-to-date and...
Jim Fairlie SNP
It does not matter.
Douglas Ross Con
Maybe the minister has accepted the argument. We are making progress at last. I urge members to vote in favour of amendment 60A—I think that that is the ame...
Douglas Ross Con
Maybe the minister has accepted the argument. We are making progress at last. I urge members to vote in favour of amendment 60A—I think that that is the ame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
As members will have noted, we have now passed the agreed time limit for the debate on this group. I have exercised my power under rule 9.8.4A(c) to allow th...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I am heartened that the minister now admits that there is a gull problem. We took a long time to get to that stage—we had to ask numerous questions and use p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call for brief contributions—first from Edward Mountain and then from Christine Grahame.
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I would like to keep this short. I want to point out some of the contradictions in the minister’s amendment 60 and speak to Douglas Ross’s amendments 149 to ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Deputy Presiding Officer, “gull management fund”—I have waited years for those three words to cross my lips. I want to speak about amendment 148. I know tha...
Douglas Ross Con
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Are you taking the intervention, Ms Grahame?
Christine Grahame SNP
It is only fair that I do—I have asked for costings.
Douglas Ross Con
If I had had more time—I have already tested the patience of the Presiding Officer—I might have gone into those issues. A lot of the work that Christine Grah...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please conclude, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
That was a valiant attempt at deflecting the question that I raised, but it was not clever enough. I know that you are very pernickety, Mr Ross, and that is ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As pernickety as I may be, I ask you to please speak through the chair.
Christine Grahame SNP
I apologise. We all know that Mr Ross is very pernickety, and that is a good thing in a legislator. However, as the member is pernickety, he should have bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I invite the minister to wind up on amendment 60.