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Meeting of the Parliament 28 January 2026 [Draft]

28 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Hospitals Inquiry
Gray, Neil SNP Airdrie and Shotts Watch on SPTV

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. The matters that are before us today go to the heart of public trust and patient safety, and I begin my speech by extending my deepest sympathies to every family who has lost a loved one and to every patient who has suffered harm or distress in connection with the issues that are being examined by the inquiry. No words spoken in the chamber can undo what they have endured, but it is essential that the Parliament acknowledges their pain, their courage and their determination to seek truth. Their persistence has been extraordinary. It is because of them that these matters are now subject to full independent scrutiny, with the determination that no other family has to suffer in the same way. I pay tribute to every single one of them.

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde was responsible for the delivery and oversight of the Queen Elizabeth university hospital project. It was the largest hospital build in Scotland’s history, and was designed to be a flagship for modern healthcare, serving patients for decades to come. However, when serious and deeply concerning allegations were brought to the Government’s attention in 2018 about safety, construction standards and ventilation systems and the potential links to infection and patient harm, it became clear that those concerns could not be dealt with through internal reviews alone.

That is why the Scottish Government established a statutory public inquiry, to ensure that those affected could have their questions answered in a forum that is independent, rigorous and empowered by law. The Government’s intention in doing so was clear and unequivocal—to uncover the full truth about what happened, why it happened and what lessons must be learned.

Before I turn to the substance of the motion, I note again to the chamber two important points of clarity. First, neither the Scottish ministers nor anyone in the chamber should prejudge the outcome of the inquiry or seek to influence the independent chair. That would be wholly inappropriate and, indeed, a breach of the very principles that are set out in the Inquiries Act 2005.

Secondly, the police and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service have independent responsibilities to investigate and prosecute as they see fit. There is a live, on-going police investigation into patient deaths. For that reason, I will not be commenting further on that particular matter.

I turn to the motion that was lodged by Mr Sarwar. I understand the motivation behind it. When something goes badly wrong in a project of this scale and significance, it is entirely reasonable to want every possible line of responsibility examined. However, although I recognise the concern that underpins the motion, I cannot support it, because it would be incompatible with the legal framework that governs the inquiry.

All statutory public inquiries in Scotland operate under the 2005 act, which was passed by Parliament. That act exists to protect the independence, integrity and credibility of inquiries. It gives inquiry chairs powerful legal tools—the power to compel witnesses, to require the production of documents, to take evidence on oath and to determine what evidence is relevant to their terms of reference. Those powers are not held by ministers but by the independent inquiry chair.

Any member who seeks to support the motion’s attempt to influence the action of the chair is calling for the Government to act in a manner that is incompatible with that legislation, which, of course, we cannot do. The separation in the act is fundamental. It ensures that no Government, present or future, can direct, restrict or shape an inquiry to suit political convenience; it ensures that the search for truth is not compromised by external pressure; and it ensures that the families who have placed their trust in the process can have confidence that it is conducted without fear or favour.

To instruct or to attempt to instruct a statutory inquiry to examine particular categories of evidence after the inquiry has been established and is under way would be a breach of that framework. It would undermine the very independence that gives the inquiry its legitimacy. It is therefore not for Scottish ministers—or, indeed, for the Parliament—to decide what evidence Lord Brodie should or should not consider; that responsibility rests with him alone.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20561, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on the role of political decision making in national health service sc...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
More than a decade ago, the Queen Elizabeth university hospital opened before it was ready. It opened with contaminated water; that contamination infected pa...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Anas Sarwar is absolutely right to pay tribute to the hard-working staff at the QEUH. Does he recognise that several staff members have been affected by comp...
Anas Sarwar Lab
I recognise that. I actually want to start by focusing on the staff and recognising the people who are often only described as the whistleblowers. They are, ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Will Anas Sarwar take an intervention?
Anas Sarwar Lab
I will not, because if anyone should intervene and answer those direct questions, it should be the health secretary, whose job it is to know the answer to su...
Christine Grahame SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I hesitate to intervene in this way, but I have concerns about the fact that although the inquiry has yet to report, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you for your point of order, Ms Grahame. Were I to believe that he was stepping into an area that he should not be stepping into, I would step in. I do...
Anas Sarwar Lab
I have been raising these issues for seven years and, for seven years, I have heard the same nonsense that Christine Grahame has just recounted. I say to Sc...
Anas Sarwar Lab
We must know the truth behind the political decision making. The inquiry is vital and it must run its course, but new information has come to light in the pa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair.
Anas Sarwar Lab
Nicola Sturgeon, John Swinney and Shona Robison have not given testimony at the inquiry and have not been cross-examined. Without that, we will never have th...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. The matters that are before us today go to the heart of public trust and patient safety, and I begi...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way. You were asked a question about validation of every section of the hospital. That is not about the inq...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please speak through the chair.
Neil Gray SNP
That is a matter for the inquiry. Lord Brodie has instructed independent evidence as to the hospital’s current infrastructure. That evidence was provided by ...
Anas Sarwar Lab
Is it validated—yes or no?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Mr Sarwar, you have had an opportunity to state your case. I would be grateful if you were not making interventions from a sedentary position.
Neil Gray SNP
That is a matter for the inquiry to determine. There are live inquiries under way that must be allowed the respect to conclude their business before we make ...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful, but the cabinet secretary is mistaken. There are questions about what happened, but the question that Ms Baillie put to him is: what is the cu...
Neil Gray SNP
That is a matter for the inquiry. Interruption. I will come to this. It is a matter for Lord Brodie to determine the evidence that he seeks, relevant to the ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Neil Gray SNP
No, I will not. I am sorry, but I have given way for the final time. Lord Brodie has taken independent evidence as to the current situation with the hospit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members that reacting to what is being said in the chamber is one thing, but I will not accept running commentaries on what is being said. 15:29
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I do not want to be speaking in this debate, because it has come about because of failure—a failure that has led to men, women and children dying unnecessari...
Neil Gray SNP
I have no doubt that the hospital is safe. The question that I was asked by Jackie Baillie was on something different, which is subject to the terms of the i...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Would the member take an intervention from me?
Brian Whittle Con
I shall stay seated.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Thank you. What the cabinet secretary described was not my question. I think that he is misinterpreting it. If he had paid attention to what was going on in ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, through the chair. I can give you the time back, Mr Whittle.