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Meeting of the Parliament 20 January 2026 [Draft]

20 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Kerr, Stephen Con Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

The minister is to be commended for getting this bill to stage 3, because, frankly, he inherited a guddle and is having to work his way through it. Trying to make something worth while out of this is very difficult, as Miles Briggs has alluded to this afternoon and on other occasions.

My amendment 11 is very basic, but it concerns a basic thing that is all too often missing from how Government approaches education and skills policy in Scotland, and that is outcomes. Amendment 11 would simply require that, in exercising their functions under the legislation, ministers must have regard to what public expenditure is actually achieving—a breakthrough moment! They would also have to

“ensure that funding supports measurable improvements in skills, productivity and learner achievement.”

It concerns not intentions, strategies or process, but actual outcomes. That matters, because, while Scotland already spends substantial sums across further education, higher education, apprenticeships and national training programmes, employers repeatedly tell us that the spend and the impact are drifting apart.

Productivity growth in Scotland has lagged behind the United Kingdom average for more than a decade. Skills shortages remain acute in engineering, construction, digital technology, life sciences and advanced manufacturing, and too many young people still struggle to see a clear, credible route from education into sustained employment.

The bill talks a great deal about duties, structures and governance. What it does not do is anchor ministerial decision making in whether those structures are actually delivering skills that the economy needs. Amendment 11 would close that gap.

That is not ideological. Colleges Scotland has made it clear that colleges already deliver strong value for money and contribute directly to productivity and learner outcomes. The organisation supports the amendment, precisely because it reflects what good providers already do when they focus on results, not rhetoric.

The same point is made in the Scottish Parliament information centre’s analysis ahead of stage 3, which highlights the importance of aligning the expanded remit of the Scottish Funding Council with economic need, not simply administrative consolidation.

Amendment 11 is about discipline and realism. Public money should work harder. If we are serious about ensuring parity of esteem between academic and vocational pathways, we must be serious about measuring whether funding is raising skill levels, improving completion rates and supporting progression into work, including through apprenticeships and graduate apprenticeships.

Graduate apprenticeships, or degree apprenticeships—I prefer the latter term because I think that it is a better description of what they are—are a good example. Where they work well, they deliver degree-level skills aligned directly with employer demand, with high completion and employment rates. However, uptake remains patchy and expansion has been inconsistent. Amendment 11 would give ministers a clear statutory prompt to ask whether their funding decisions are actually scaling what works.

I do not think that that should trouble the Government. If ministers are confident that the system that they are building will raise standards, boost productivity and properly equip Scotland’s future workforce, they should see writing that expectation into law as entirely reasonable—and, if I may say so, the minister who is guiding the bill is a very reasonable fellow, on a good day.

Members: Oh!

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendme...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on a national funding strategy. Amendment 10, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendment 74.
The Minister for Higher and Further Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP
I am grateful to the Presiding Officer, all the Parliament staff and all MSP colleagues for their engagement with this bill and I am pleased to open this aft...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
The Conservative members are supportive of amendment 10, but I want to ask the minister whether it is the Scottish Government’s vision that it will make coll...
Ben Macpherson SNP
The importance of colleges in the delivery of apprenticeships, as Mr Briggs rightly emphasises, should not be underestimated. We want our colleges to take th...
Ben Macpherson SNP
The importance of colleges in the delivery of apprenticeships, as Mr Briggs rightly emphasises, should not be underestimated. We want our colleges to take th...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
The minister will know that Universities Scotland has expressed concern about the national funding strategy. It feels that the strategy risks encroaching on ...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank Willie Rennie for raising that important point and for the engagement that I have had with him on this matter, and I thank Universities Scotland for ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Is the minister in a position to set out when the Government will publish the responses to the consultation that it recently carried out on support for part-...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank Pam Duncan-Glancy for raising that point and highlighting that important consultation. I will take that away as an action and update her and the Parl...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I thank the minister for his constructive engagement on the strategy; we had several interesting conversations about its critical nature. I emphasise that, a...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Daniel Johnson Lab
I am happy to do so.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful to Daniel Johnson for taking the intervention and I apologise for being unable to intervene on the minister. Are we not confronted today with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Indeed, and I believe that the member has provided me with an answer—that is exactly the issue that we have. This strategy might be the right solution or str...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank members for their contributions. By way of response to what has just been said, I emphasise that the strategic work that will be taken forward throug...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank members for their contributions. By way of response to what has just been said, I emphasise that the strategic work that will be taken forward throug...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to group 2, which is on the general duty of the Scottish ministers to support delivery. Amendment 75, in the name of Miles Briggs, is grouped with am...
Miles Briggs Con
I start by thanking the Parliament’s legislative team for its support—to be quite honest, the team could also do with some apprentices, given the amount of l...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The minister is to be commended for getting this bill to stage 3, because, frankly, he inherited a guddle and is having to work his way through it. Trying to...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The minister is to be commended for getting this bill to stage 3, because, frankly, he inherited a guddle and is having to work his way through it. Trying to...
Stephen Kerr Con
That was a compliment, Presiding Officer—I do not know how I can reach higher on compliments than to say that the minister is reasonable. My amendment would...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank colleagues for explaining their amendments. The two amendments in this group revisit proposals that were previously brought forward at stage 2, and w...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank colleagues for explaining their amendments. The two amendments in this group revisit proposals that were previously brought forward at stage 2, and w...
Miles Briggs Con
We have not got to Willie Rennie’s amendment on the issue yet, but I think that the minister is almost making the argument against it, as it would introduce ...
Ben Macpherson SNP
We agreed to a number of amendments at stage 2 to ensure that the voice of business and industry is even more significant under the bill. Later in today’s pr...
Miles Briggs Con
Amendment 75 goes to the heart of some of the concerns that the Education, Children and Young People Committee has heard. Industries and businesses that are ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The member is right to highlight the difference between SAAB and the proposed structures. Fundamentally, SAAB is about industry representatives coming forwar...
Miles Briggs Con
Yes, I agree with that. One of the missed opportunities is that the bill does not deal with regional skills shortages. On Friday, I was in Aberdeen, where I ...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the member give way?