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Meeting of the Parliament 15 January 2026

15 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this important debate on whether the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is fit for the future.

I welcome the focus on response times in several of the speeches. As we know, there has been a significant increase in response times under the Scottish National Party, which, of course, increases risks.

Maggie Chapman’s motion rightly highlights the challenges that the SFRS faces due to the climate emergency, including increased frequency and severity of flooding and wildfires. As a number of members have said, last year, we saw the risks posed by the climate emergency right on Parliament’s doorstep, with yet another wildfire engulfing Arthur’s Seat. This week alone, we have seen the impact of flooding on many communities across Scotland, but the Scottish Government has chosen not to support our firefighters so that they are properly equipped to respond to those challenges in future.

Since 2013, the SFRS resource budget has decreased by £58 million a year in real terms, and around 1,250 firefighter jobs have been lost. The resource increase that is offered in the Scottish Government’s budget, therefore, goes nowhere near far enough to reverse the damage that has been caused by more than a decade of cuts and job losses in the fire service. The proposed resource increase also falls short by more than £11 million of what the SFRS has set out as being required in order to recruit the new firefighters who will be needed over the next three years.

As Richard Leonard and a number of other members have said, the capital budget increase of less than £1.5 million is also completely inadequate, given the £818 million capital backlog that the SFRS faces.

A number of members have spoken about the conditions in some fire stations, including the lack of showering facilities. I recently highlighted to the Scottish Government that many fire stations in my West Scotland region are still in a state of disrepair. In the past six years, Greenock, Gourock and Port Glasgow stations have had to conduct essential repairs and maintenance amounting to more than £1 million due to the condition that they were in. Dreghorn fire station, which is the main fire station service in Irvine, was also found to be in poor condition. This is a Scotland-wide challenge and, given the Scottish Government’s failure to properly invest in tackling the capital backlog in this budget, I fear that those fire stations will continue not to be fit for purpose.

Some members have focused on the service delivery review, which could lead to the closure of 13 fire stations, the permanent withdrawal of 10 appliances and changes to fire cover, leading to increased response times as a result. I reiterate my call to the Scottish Government to commit to a debate in Government time so that Parliament can have its say on any proposals before they proceed.

With regard to the expansion of the firefighter role, I thank all members who have signed my recent motion calling on the Scottish Government to make progress on that issue, particularly in the light of the shared commitment of both the FBU and the SFRS. Members have highlighted the FBU’s DECON campaign, and I reiterate my calls for greater action from the Scottish Government to protect the health and safety of firefighters. I reiterate that there is a legal obligation on the Scottish Government and on the SFRS as an employer to provide a safe system of work to firefighters.

I conclude by placing on record my thanks to the firefighters and staff—there are around 7,600 of them—for the vital work that they do in keeping us safe.

13:42  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-20218, in the name of Maggie Chapman, on a Scottish Fire and Rescue Service fit for the...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to those who supported my motion to allow this debate to go ahead today. I led the Scottish Greens’ first members’ business debate in this sess...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I stand with Ms Chapman’s comments about our immense gratitude to those who risk their lives for us. Hawick fire station is at risk of having its full-time-...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Chapman.
Maggie Chapman Green
I will come on to the service delivery review in a moment, but it is important that we recognise and acknowledge that the staff who work for the Scottish Fir...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Last year, the Health and Safety Executive issued an enforcement notice to the SFRS about welfare facilities at three fire stations in Shetland. There were n...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, I can give you the time back, Ms Chapman.
Maggie Chapman Green
Absolutely, we need to make sure that we are investing in the decontamination facilities that all firefighters need. I will speak particularly about the FBU’...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing the debate. In her motion, the member quite rightly mentions the DECON campaign, and I very much associate myself with h...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will start off with a couple of apologies. First, I apologise to Maggie Chapman. If I had known how you were going to address the debate and how it was goi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please pass your apology through the chair, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I also apologise to members for having to slip away before the end of the debate. I forewarned you of that, Presiding Officer, and agreed it with you in adva...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maggie Chapman for lodging the motion in Parliament, which I am delighted to support. A few weeks ago, one Friday afternoon, I sat down with firefig...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank my Green colleague Maggie Chapman for securing this debate. I also express my thanks to Scotland’s firefighters and their support staff for their con...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by reiterating my support for the motion and my gratitude to the thousands of firefighters and support staff who keep my constituents, and all of us,...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I, too, thank my colleague Maggie Chapman for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I also recognise the dedication, professionalism and courage of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before I call the next speaker, in order to allow other members to participate, I am prepared to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to extend...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Maggie Chapman for securing today’s debate, because it could not be more important. As colleagues from across the country have highlighted, we ...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this much-needed debate. The estate of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is not fit for the future. According to the F...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this important debate on whether the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is fit for the future. I welcome the focus on resp...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maggie Chapman and all the members who have contributed to this important debate. As the minister with responsibility for fire and rescue, I express...
Richard Leonard Lab
I had a look this morning at a graph on page 18 of the incident statistics document. If the minister looks at the statistics, she will see that they show tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.
Siobhian Brown SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am just going on the information that I have in front of me today. I will write to the member about that point. I wo...
Maggie Chapman Green
I do not think that there is anybody in the chamber, including among the representatives of the SFRS and the FBU, who does not think that there needs to be s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We are going to need briefer interventions, if they are to be taken.
Siobhian Brown SNP
I totally appreciate and understand what the member says. I have regular meetings with the SFRS, which has made it very clear to me—I know that this has come...
Katy Clark Lab
The minister must be concerned about not only the continued increase in response times, but the prediction that they are going to increase if current policie...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Of course—I will come to response times further on in my speech, if I may. Deputy Presiding Officer, can I get some time back?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for the intervention.