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Meeting of the Parliament 15 January 2026

15 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

I thank Maggie Chapman for lodging the motion in Parliament, which I am delighted to support.

A few weeks ago, one Friday afternoon, I sat down with firefighters at the Cumbernauld fire station. It is a station which is set to be downgraded under the so-called service delivery review, with proposals to cut firefighters’ hours, with proposals to cut the number of fire appliances and with proposals to cut emergency cover on the night shift—even though the population that the Cumbernauld station serves is rising; even though, as one long-serving firefighter told me:

“Every bad incident I’ve experienced has been at night-time. It is when the risk is greatest”;

even though, as another younger firefighter told me:

“The very first video you are shown when you start your training is about time critical: the difference that two to three minutes can make”;

and even though, as Scott Fleming, the local Fire Brigades Union representative, told me:

“There are fewer house fires: but the fatalities from house fires have not dropped.”

So, even though these are the experiences, this is the evidence and these are the facts, the minister will tell us that these are purely operational matters for the service to decide, when, in truth, these are life-and-death matters, and so political and moral matters for this Government and for this Minister for Victims and Community Safety to decide.

There are other considerations, too. We also spoke that Friday before Christmas about the new fire station that had been promised when reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete was discovered at the station, which was built back in the 1970s. We spoke about it, because that new replacement fire station has now been shelved, because of the same service delivery review. I have to say that it beggars belief that, as we marked in Parliament just last month, 70 years ago, an earlier generation could build an entire new town in Cumbernauld; now this Scottish National Party Government in this generation cannot even build a new fire station in Cumbernauld.

And what of this week’s budget? Well, as the Fire Brigade’s Union’s Scottish secretary, John McKenzie, has explained,

“the capital budget increase of less than £1.5 million”—

that is for the entire Scottish Fire and Rescue Service—

“is utterly inadequate and sits against an £818 million capital backlog, leaving fire stations not fit for purpose, some held up by scaffolding and many without adequate toilets or running water.”

Meanwhile, the Government continues to throw millions extra for a new information technology system for the Fire and Rescue Service at the US-owned multinational corporation Motorola, having already wasted millions on a botched IT system splashed out to the French-owned multinational corporation Systel.

And just last week in Parliament, I revealed that, while the SNP Government’s budget for the removal of dangerous, highly flammable cladding in the wake of the Grenfell tower tragedy was £35 million last year, only £6 million of that was spent. It is another example of how little this Government regards community and fire safety, how little it understands the risks posed to firefighters and the public by these unsafe buildings, how lightly it takes its serious duty of care to these residents—especially those who are most at risk: children, those with a disability, the elderly and the frail—who are still waiting more than eight years after the Grenfell tragedy, simply for their homes to be made safe.

It is high time that we ended this indifference, this callous disregard. It is time that we saw action and that we saw new investment in our Fire and Rescue Service, in our firefighters, in our communities. That is what I will continue to campaign for, inside and outside this Parliament.

13:16  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-20218, in the name of Maggie Chapman, on a Scottish Fire and Rescue Service fit for the...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to those who supported my motion to allow this debate to go ahead today. I led the Scottish Greens’ first members’ business debate in this sess...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I stand with Ms Chapman’s comments about our immense gratitude to those who risk their lives for us. Hawick fire station is at risk of having its full-time-...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Chapman.
Maggie Chapman Green
I will come on to the service delivery review in a moment, but it is important that we recognise and acknowledge that the staff who work for the Scottish Fir...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Last year, the Health and Safety Executive issued an enforcement notice to the SFRS about welfare facilities at three fire stations in Shetland. There were n...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, I can give you the time back, Ms Chapman.
Maggie Chapman Green
Absolutely, we need to make sure that we are investing in the decontamination facilities that all firefighters need. I will speak particularly about the FBU’...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing the debate. In her motion, the member quite rightly mentions the DECON campaign, and I very much associate myself with h...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will start off with a couple of apologies. First, I apologise to Maggie Chapman. If I had known how you were going to address the debate and how it was goi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please pass your apology through the chair, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I also apologise to members for having to slip away before the end of the debate. I forewarned you of that, Presiding Officer, and agreed it with you in adva...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maggie Chapman for lodging the motion in Parliament, which I am delighted to support. A few weeks ago, one Friday afternoon, I sat down with firefig...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank my Green colleague Maggie Chapman for securing this debate. I also express my thanks to Scotland’s firefighters and their support staff for their con...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by reiterating my support for the motion and my gratitude to the thousands of firefighters and support staff who keep my constituents, and all of us,...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I, too, thank my colleague Maggie Chapman for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I also recognise the dedication, professionalism and courage of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before I call the next speaker, in order to allow other members to participate, I am prepared to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to extend...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Maggie Chapman for securing today’s debate, because it could not be more important. As colleagues from across the country have highlighted, we ...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this much-needed debate. The estate of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is not fit for the future. According to the F...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this important debate on whether the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is fit for the future. I welcome the focus on resp...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maggie Chapman and all the members who have contributed to this important debate. As the minister with responsibility for fire and rescue, I express...
Richard Leonard Lab
I had a look this morning at a graph on page 18 of the incident statistics document. If the minister looks at the statistics, she will see that they show tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.
Siobhian Brown SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am just going on the information that I have in front of me today. I will write to the member about that point. I wo...
Maggie Chapman Green
I do not think that there is anybody in the chamber, including among the representatives of the SFRS and the FBU, who does not think that there needs to be s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We are going to need briefer interventions, if they are to be taken.
Siobhian Brown SNP
I totally appreciate and understand what the member says. I have regular meetings with the SFRS, which has made it very clear to me—I know that this has come...
Katy Clark Lab
The minister must be concerned about not only the continued increase in response times, but the prediction that they are going to increase if current policie...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Of course—I will come to response times further on in my speech, if I may. Deputy Presiding Officer, can I get some time back?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for the intervention.