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Meeting of the Parliament 15 January 2026

15 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Fire and Rescue Service
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

I thank Maggie Chapman for securing the debate.

In her motion, the member quite rightly mentions the DECON campaign, and I very much associate myself with her remarks about it. The campaign has indicated and highlighted the excess mortality rates in relation to cancer, heart attack and stroke, which we would all agree are an obvious concern for us. When the evidence starts to emerge, including through academic research, it requires a response. There are recommendations in the FBU report, and I am keen to hear the Scottish Government’s response to them.

Maggie Chapman is also right to highlight, as she did in her contribution as well as in her motion, the impact of climate change. I have spoken in the Parliament before about having seen the effects of climate change locally in my constituency. Last spring, we saw a major wildfire at Palacerigg, which required a significant response from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. The service certainly rose to the occasion, and I am grateful to it for doing so.

The Scottish Government held the wildfire summit, and I am grateful for the Government’s update to MSPs on the work that has arisen out of that. It would be useful to hear from the minister about what might emerge from that, if she is able to provide us with an update.

I will focus my remarks primarily on the fire service delivery review, as it impacts my area. As a member of the Criminal Justice Committee, I am grateful to the Fire Brigades Union for coming along to speak to us about its perspective on the review, and I look forward to having the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service speak to us before any final decisions are made. I know that a decision has been delayed, which reflects what has been, as members might have expected, a significant response to the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service’s consultation, and I look forward to being able to question the SFRS on aspects of the review.

The proposal in my area is, thankfully, not to close the fire station; indeed, I would have been surprised if there had been a closure, given the size of my community. However, there is a proposal to move from two full-time appliances to one operating full time—which would be welcome, of course—and another operating full time during the day on weekdays only and then being operated by retained firefighters at night time during the week and at weekends.

Understandably, that has generated concern in the community, with the primary concern being about any delay to a second appliance arriving and the pressure that that might place on the crew of the first appliance that arrives on site. There is also concern about retained firefighter availability—we are already seeing that, with the Kilsyth and Stepps fire stations not always being available—and about the challenges with recruiting such personnel.

I have a particular concern about the review process, which I have expressed to the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, and which I now take the opportunity to place on the record in the Parliament. We benefit from having a national service—for example, we do not, as I have seen, have the same challenges with cross-boundary transfer—but I do not think that the Fire and Rescue Service’s proposals have considered that. For example, changes that are being talked about in Glasgow could impact my area—and, of course, vice versa—and I do not think that that has been considered.

I am glad that Maggie Chapman has brought the debate to the Parliament, and I am glad to have been able to place some of my concerns and those of my constituents on the record. I am keen to see where the review lands and, in that regard, I look forward to being able to question the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service when it comes before the committee.

I place on record my thanks to all existing fire service personnel and all those who have served in the past. They deserve our greatest thanks.

13:07  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-20218, in the name of Maggie Chapman, on a Scottish Fire and Rescue Service fit for the...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to those who supported my motion to allow this debate to go ahead today. I led the Scottish Greens’ first members’ business debate in this sess...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I stand with Ms Chapman’s comments about our immense gratitude to those who risk their lives for us. Hawick fire station is at risk of having its full-time-...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Chapman.
Maggie Chapman Green
I will come on to the service delivery review in a moment, but it is important that we recognise and acknowledge that the staff who work for the Scottish Fir...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Last year, the Health and Safety Executive issued an enforcement notice to the SFRS about welfare facilities at three fire stations in Shetland. There were n...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, I can give you the time back, Ms Chapman.
Maggie Chapman Green
Absolutely, we need to make sure that we are investing in the decontamination facilities that all firefighters need. I will speak particularly about the FBU’...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing the debate. In her motion, the member quite rightly mentions the DECON campaign, and I very much associate myself with h...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will start off with a couple of apologies. First, I apologise to Maggie Chapman. If I had known how you were going to address the debate and how it was goi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please pass your apology through the chair, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I also apologise to members for having to slip away before the end of the debate. I forewarned you of that, Presiding Officer, and agreed it with you in adva...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maggie Chapman for lodging the motion in Parliament, which I am delighted to support. A few weeks ago, one Friday afternoon, I sat down with firefig...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank my Green colleague Maggie Chapman for securing this debate. I also express my thanks to Scotland’s firefighters and their support staff for their con...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by reiterating my support for the motion and my gratitude to the thousands of firefighters and support staff who keep my constituents, and all of us,...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I, too, thank my colleague Maggie Chapman for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I also recognise the dedication, professionalism and courage of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before I call the next speaker, in order to allow other members to participate, I am prepared to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to extend...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Maggie Chapman for securing today’s debate, because it could not be more important. As colleagues from across the country have highlighted, we ...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this much-needed debate. The estate of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is not fit for the future. According to the F...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maggie Chapman for securing this important debate on whether the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is fit for the future. I welcome the focus on resp...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maggie Chapman and all the members who have contributed to this important debate. As the minister with responsibility for fire and rescue, I express...
Richard Leonard Lab
I had a look this morning at a graph on page 18 of the incident statistics document. If the minister looks at the statistics, she will see that they show tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.
Siobhian Brown SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am just going on the information that I have in front of me today. I will write to the member about that point. I wo...
Maggie Chapman Green
I do not think that there is anybody in the chamber, including among the representatives of the SFRS and the FBU, who does not think that there needs to be s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We are going to need briefer interventions, if they are to be taken.
Siobhian Brown SNP
I totally appreciate and understand what the member says. I have regular meetings with the SFRS, which has made it very clear to me—I know that this has come...
Katy Clark Lab
The minister must be concerned about not only the continued increase in response times, but the prediction that they are going to increase if current policie...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Of course—I will come to response times further on in my speech, if I may. Deputy Presiding Officer, can I get some time back?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for the intervention.