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Meeting of the Parliament 14 January 2026

14 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Greer, Ross Green West Scotland Watch on SPTV

As other members have done, I pay tribute to those who have got us to this point and, in particular, to our care-experienced community in Scotland who have had to fight so hard and for so long to get this bill before the Parliament. Many of us will have had the experience of sitting with our care-experienced constituents as they have shared some of the most deeply intimate and personal moments of their lives: the deep trauma, the triumphs, and their hope not only for themselves as individuals but for the entire care-experienced community and for those who inevitably will come after them.

It is difficult to use that word—“hope”—in this context because, in the decade that I have served in this Parliament, I have seen that sense of hope drain away among the many care-experienced people who have had to campaign and fight so hard to see these improvements. This bill has been a long time coming. Like other colleagues, the Greens will support it today, but, following on from what Paul O’Kane has just said, we are under no illusions that this bill alone will fix the situation.

I encourage any colleague who was not sitting on the Education, Children and Young People Committee when we took the first round of evidence on this bill not only to go back and read the Official Report of it but to listen to the evidence that Duncan Dunlop gave us. It was a stark wake-up call: when he gave evidence, it was close to 13 years, to the day, from the first time that he had come to the Parliament and had brought a group of care-experienced young people to explain the realities of their lives.

I welcome all the progress that the minister mentioned in her opening remarks—of course we should celebrate that. However, that progress still leaves us in a situation that is nothing short of absolutely catastrophic for far too many care-experienced people and for far too many of the children who are still in care in Scotland. Although the point has already been made, I have to ask why it has taken five years—almost the entire length of this session of the Parliament—for this bill to be introduced. It has been almost a decade since the Promise and almost 13 years since Mr Dunlop brought those young people in to give evidence.

There is a wider point that needs to be considered by the Parliament and by the Scottish Government, which is to do with just how slowly the wheels of change turn in this country. We are often criticised simultaneously for rushing legislation, which results in it being of poor quality, and for taking far too long, especially when the measures in question are often matters of political consensus rather than contention.

Oliver Mundell mentioned the fact that the review of the legislative framework underpinning the care system that the Government committed to undertake years ago has not happened yet. I welcome what the minister has said about progress on that, and the 12-month timescale in particular, but the reality is that we have before us a bill that could have included many of the changes that we all know are needed. Quite a lot of what needs to be done is relatively obvious, but the relevant provisions are not in the bill because that review did not take place.

We took evidence on what the impact of that will be. CELCIS said that it is concerned that we are layering duties on top of duties in a way that will fragment the system. The Law Society of Scotland, in particular, is becoming increasingly concerned about the fragmentation of child law in this country. As we finalise our manifestos for the election, all of us should probably take into consideration the Law Society’s ask that we seriously consider the consolidation of child law in Scotland, which, for many good reasons, has become increasingly fragmented as we have made individual interventions in an effort to improve the situation.

There is a missed opportunity in the bill with regard to early intervention. The minister mentioned family group decision making. I absolutely agree that that is an incredibly important service. If we can get things right at that stage, it will often prevent children from having to be taken into care, which will prevent so much of the trauma and so many of the challenges that come about as a result of that.

However, one third of councils in Scotland do not have family group decision-making services, and there is nothing in the bill to address that situation. I may have missed a commitment that the minister gave in her opening remarks, but I do not believe that I did. I am still unclear about what the Scottish Government’s position is on placing such a duty on local authorities. I understand all the concerns about placing more duties on authorities without providing adequate resourcing, but if we all recognise that family group decision making is absolutely critical at the early intervention stage, I must question why we are allowing a situation in which one third of our local authorities simply do not offer that service.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20389, in the name of Natalie Don-Innes, on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (S...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes) SNP
It is a personal honour for me to open this debate and introduce a bill that will, with the Parliament’s support, change lives across Scotland. We are makin...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The minister spoke of the importance of lived experience and children sharing their stories. Will she share with us what she has heard from young people that...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
That is exactly what I intend to do. On almost every visit and in almost every interaction that I have had with a child, young adult or family, I have heard...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Would the time to do the review not have been before the legislation was introduced? We have known from the plan that such a review has been needed for a whi...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I do not believe so. I believe that the focus over a number of years has been on enacting the transformation that is required to enable the Promise to be del...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful for the minister’s patience. On the specific point about the UNCRC, the Scottish National Party Government has consistently said that it intend...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I have spoken about the review of the legislative landscape that Professor Norrie will carry out, which will complement the work that we are talking about. M...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I have to make progress. We are working with the UK Government on the best way to proceed. As I said, if progress has not been made by November 2026, we wil...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Douglas Ross to speak on behalf of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. 15:46
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
As convener of the Education, Children and Young People Committee, I am pleased to speak about the committee’s scrutiny of the Children (Care, Care Experienc...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not also the case that the promise to bring forward legislation within the scope of the UNCRC duty was a significant factor in the chamber agreeing to ...
Douglas Ross Con
Absolutely. That was a key part, and it is the reason why we got that commitment from the cabinet secretary. That is why I am troubled that the Scottish Gove...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
It is not.
Douglas Ross Con
The minister is shaking her head and saying that it is not. I will give way to her in a moment, but she told us at committee that we could look at the issue ...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
The conversation has moved on from what I said in committee. I hear what is being said about the scattered and cluttered landscape and also the issue with th...
Douglas Ross Con
No—that is not progress. At the very latest, we will have to pass the bill by April. The Norrie review will not have fed back by then, and nor will the revie...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The time that we had available over the course of the afternoon has been exhausted, so members will now need to stick to their speaking time allocations. 15:56
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Service Planning) (Scotland) Bill—or the triple C ESP bill, as it was ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
Some of the young people told us that they had a very good relationship with a social worker, so they might not need quite so much in the way of advocacy. Do...
Roz McCall Con
I thank Mr Mason for his intervention, but there needs to be an independent voice to support the child. I worry that, at times, when it comes to social work,...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest in that my husband is a service manager in children and families social work and is also a registered social worker. With only a few m...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
As other members have done, I pay tribute to those who have got us to this point and, in particular, to our care-experienced community in Scotland who have h...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I want to provide clarification. Mr Greer is right to point out that not all local authorities provide family group decision making. The Scottish Government ...
Ross Greer Green
I welcome that intervention and the minister’s announcement that those discussions are on-going. I hope that that is a matter that we will be able to resolve...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I commend the minister. The Promise is not hers alone, and it was not started by her. It was started by her predecessors in her position and higher up in the...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I thank Mr Rennie for many of his words there. However, to take one aspect of the bill, it will extend aftercare to previously care-experienced children and ...
Willie Rennie LD
I think that it will make an improvement, but it is all part of the tone with regard to the Promise that we are making to children and young people. Trust in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate. I advise members that there is no time in hand. 16:25