Committee
Public Audit Committee 17 December 2025
17 Dec 2025 · S6 · Public Audit Committee
Item of business
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”
Carole Grant
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On the size of the estimated overpayment for error and fraud within the DWP-administered benefits, it is reducing, as you would expect, as case transfer happens and more benefits are delivered and administered by Social Security Scotland. That increases the unknown element, because robust estimation processes are not yet in place for benefits that are administered by Social Security Scotland.
09:45What the appointed auditor has drawn attention to in the annual audit report for Social Security Scotland, which is on our website, is that the next exercise for fraud and error estimation will be on the adult disability payment. That feels like it will be an important next step, given the size of the benefit being administered.
That exercise should provide good insight into the levels of error and fraud. As we discussed last year, the legislation is now in place to enable Social Security Scotland to require claimants to support the error and fraud processes. That strengthens the agency’s arrangements for getting a strong estimate in relation to the benefits that it administers. The auditor has made a recommendation about the need for pace and focus, and that has been accepted by Social Security Scotland.
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The Convener
Lab
Our main agenda item this morning is consideration of a section 22 report on the 2024-25 audit of the Scottish Government’s consolidated accounts. I am pleas...
Stephen Boyle (Auditor General for Scotland)
Many thanks indeed, convener, and good morning. I am presenting this report on the 2024-25 audit of the Scottish Government’s consolidated accounts under sec...
The Convener
Lab
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Stephen Boyle
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Carole Grant (Audit Scotland)
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The Convener
Lab
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Carole Grant
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The Convener
Lab
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The Convener
Lab
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Stephen Boyle
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Carole Grant
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The Convener
Lab
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The Convener
Lab
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The Convener
Lab
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The Convener
Lab
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The Convener
Lab
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The Convener
Lab
Thank you very much, and thanks for answering those questions. I now invite the deputy convener to put his questions to you.
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