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Meeting of the Parliament 06 January 2026

06 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Swimming Pools
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

Colleagues across the chamber are well aware that I have been a very strong advocate for the aims outlined in the petition for a very long time. I very much welcome the work that has been undertaken by the convener, Jackson Carlaw, and his colleagues on the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.

When the Scottish Government comes to sum up at the end of this afternoon’s debate, I hope that it will make specific reference to the committee’s call for a task force to combine all the relevant stakeholders that the cabinet secretary mentioned earlier. Implementing such a recommendation could be immensely helpful.

My colleagues in the Scottish Conservatives fully support this debate, and here is why. There are 295 public swimming pools in Scotland. Of those, 122 are more than 38 years old, which is the average lifespan of a pool. On current trends, that means the potential loss of more than 150 pools by 2040; we would have to replace them at the rate of four pools per year to maintain the current level of provision. It is very clear from that evidence that the future of community pools is in jeopardy, and that is why the public is desperate for parliamentarians to do something about it. It really matters to families and local communities.

Throughout the lifetime of the petition, in my role as convener of the cross-party group on sport, I have consulted extensively with Scottish Swimming. I have co-hosted two fringe events at party conferences, alongside former Olympic swimmer Hannah Miley MBE, on the issue of access to pools. In October 2025, I was invited to attend the excellent national learn to swim 10-year celebration event with Scottish Swimming, Scottish Water and the Olympian Duncan Scott OBE. Both those Olympians were in no doubt whatever about the challenge that we face. In September 2023, I held a members’ business debate on the save our pools campaign and, in March 2024, I formally submitted my support for the petition to the convener of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.

Swimming remains incredibly popular: 13 per cent of adults swim regularly, making it the sport with highest participation levels after multigym and weight training—although I have to say to the cabinet secretary that pickleball is fast catching up, I think—and, most importantly, swimming is the most popular participation sport for those with disabilities, due to its suitability for those with reduced mobility. That is why nine out of 10 Scots believe that the closure of swimming pools is very bad for their local communities.

There is also the safety aspect, which other members have spoken about. Learning to swim is a key life skill, but it is in decline. There were 33 accidental drownings in 2024, which is a stark reminder of why those skills are so important. In a country with such an abundance of lochs, rivers, reservoirs and beaches, we must be ever more vigilant to the dangers of water and ensure that all children have the basic ability to swim. At this point, I issue a warning to some of the influencers on platforms such as Instagram and TikTok who are irresponsibly advertising some of those dangerous locations as beauty spots, at the same time as withholding key information about safety. That is unacceptable in this age of mass social media.

It is the issue of school swimming that concerns me most, because it is still a key target for some local authority cuts. Eight of our local authorities do not offer school swimming at all, and a further 10 have only a partial school swimming offer. That brings me to the point about the postcode lottery that exists with regard to who is able to access learn to swim programmes. Disadvantaged children in deprived communities are far less likely to be able to access swimming, given both the rising costs of lessons and the lack of provision at school.

My primary driver for introducing legislation on residential outdoor education was to address the inherent unfairness, in that so many children were not being offered the opportunity because of their circumstances. Studies have shown that, just as there are benefits from outdoor education, that is also true of swimming. If all young people are to learn to swim—as I believe they should—there must be adequate provision of pools around the country within reasonable distances.

There are also the health and wellbeing elements. Pools are social hubs and promote a healthy lifestyle for body and mind. They provide a centre for families and communities and, in many cases, for competitions at both elite and grass-roots levels. Many people have childhood memories of swimming, sharing fun experiences with friends, parents and grandparents, but that can happen only if pools are easily and readily accessible.

In my region, there are currently plans to replace the immensely popular Perth pool, with its fun elements including flumes, rapids and an outdoor area, with a new pool in Thimblerow, but that proposal will downgrade the existing pool to one that is much smaller and far more basic. It would not even include on-site parking in the middle of Perth, which suggests either a total absence from reality on the part of the planners involved or that they simply do not care whether the facility is actually used.

In order to keep the current level of swimming provision available, a sizeable financial effort and reallocation of resources will be required, but I believe that that will be an investment well made. I urge the Scottish Government to consider the potential preventative spend that facilities such as swimming pools provide, and to look at its own strategy on health, with which the current rate of pool closures is not compatible. The Scottish Government was persuaded to have a change of heart on outdoor education, and I hope that it will be persuaded in the same way on swimming.

Most importantly, the public overwhelmingly want pools to remain open, and we are all in the chamber today to represent their views. I continue whole-heartedly to support petition PE2018 and I call on the Scottish Government to act on Scottish Swimming’s calls for sustainable financial investment.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20185, in the name of Jackson Carlaw, and lodged on behalf of the Citizen Participation and Public Petiti...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
How exciting it is, on the first day back, to be able to bring this debate to the chamber. I begin by introducing petition PE2018, which was lodged by Helen ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
While I acknowledge the point that Mr Carlaw narrates on behalf of COSLA, does he accept that last year’s budget gave a real-terms increase to local governme...
Jackson Carlaw Con
The point that COSLA and others made to us is that, with so many different areas being—appropriately—ring fenced, the capacity for discretionary action by co...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Jackson Carlaw mentioned pool closures. I am sure that he will be encouraged to learn that the Alloa Leisure Bowl—if he ever saw it, he would realise how ina...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I have to say to Mr Brown that that was not part of the extensive evidence that the committee heard. All who gave evidence talked of the pressures on funding...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The committee convener makes a powerful point about life saving, particularly in an educational context—teaching children the confidence to swim not just in ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
That was very much the view that the committee took and is taken by some councils—albeit increasingly fewer, because of the pressures and considerations that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Jackson Carlaw Con
They demand a clear plan for the whole of Scotland and action to implement such a plan. In the absence of support, swimming pools across the country will fi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we are already running a little behind schedule, so I will have to keep members to their speaking time allocations. 16:35
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
I acknowledge the motion that has been lodged, and I thank Jackson Carlaw, the committee convener, for setting out his case with his usual rhetorical flouris...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary has said that swimming saves health and social care money and promotes wellbeing. However, Jedburgh and Selkirk pools are being shut an...
Neil Gray SNP
We have passed over significant Barnett consequentials, as I set out in my intervention on Mr Carlaw, in an increase to local government funding, which I wil...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Colleagues across the chamber are well aware that I have been a very strong advocate for the aims outlined in the petition for a very long time. I very much ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Neil Bibby—up to five minutes, please. 16:48
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
A happy new year to you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and to everyone across the chamber. Scottish Labour very much welcomes the debate, and I thank Jackson Ca...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Neil Bibby Lab
The cabinet secretary can point to the last financial year, but his Government had £5 billion extra from the Labour UK Government, so he could hardly have cu...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Neil Bibby Lab
I am limited for time, cabinet secretary. It is not just about that £5 billion extra. As I told the petitions committee last year, when the Scottish Governm...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Neil Bibby Lab
I will give way if it is brief. I am limited for time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly, cabinet secretary.
Neil Gray SNP
We just heard from Mr Carlaw about evidence from COSLA on the need to ensure that we do not have restrictive ring fencing of funding. I have just set out the...
Neil Bibby Lab
I do not know whether the cabinet secretary was listening before I took his intervention. I just said that, last year, you had £5 billion extra from the Labo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please speak through the chair.
Neil Bibby Lab
It is harder for people to access swimming pools and lessons just now because, for years, the Scottish Government has made it harder for councils to fund the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before I call the next speaker, I advise members that we already have a later decision time. We are quite far behind the allocated time for this debate, so m...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I thank the committee for the work that it has done and, of course, the petitioners for raising the issue. I will mention two particular pools and two par...