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Meeting of the Parliament 06 January 2026

06 Jan 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Civil Legal Assistance

Presiding Officer, I extend, as others have, the wishes of the new year to you and to other members in the chamber.

This has been a fascinating debate, and could perhaps have merited more time. We have heard unanimity of support for the excellent report from the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee and the call for change.

It cannot be acceptable that people’s capacity to exercise their legal right to realise their human rights is so severely compromised. The committee’s report is unequivocal. The shocking picture of the legal aid deserts has been mentioned by Marie McNair and by my colleague Pam Duncan-Glancy with regard to those with a disability facing a lack of access to justice because of the lack of legal aid, and there were powerful contributions from Ariane Burgess and Liam McArthur about the situation in rural and island communities. Those challenges are important.

The report calls for immediate action on the uplifting of fees, a reduction in bureaucracy and the widening of the eligibility thresholds. What has the Government delivered but promises, consultations and deferrals?

Regulations were laid in December 2025 to simplify the judicare model, but that simplification will not solve the crisis of capacity. Three of the four areas that are dealt with in the draft regulations relate to children and the children’s hearings system, which is undergoing massive change; we are unsure what it will look like in the end.

Other issues that could have been dealt with include having easier access to legal aid for homeless people and women who face domestic violence. The rates could also have been dealt with. However, the Government has chosen not to do so, describing that issue as needing primary legislation, when, with the greatest respect, it does not.

After years during which the SNP Government has been in power, legal aid has constantly been pushed further and further down the line, and we are now, as we have heard, at the point of absolute crisis, given that an expert group such as Grampian Women’s Aid is required to make 50 or 60 phone calls to find a legal aid solicitor. It is not randomly choosing people out of the old “Yellow Pages”. It knows the law firms that deal in legal aid and is going specifically to those, in ever wider areas, to try to find support for—as others have, rightly, pointed out—some of the most vulnerable individuals in society.

Solicitors are leaving legal aid work because the fees remain unsustainable. The Government’s response is a fee review mechanism group, yet there is no commitment to increasing the fees, despite the fact that every day of delay deepens that access gap.

The committee has urged the reform of eligibility thresholds, which have been unchanged since 2011. The Government admits that those thresholds are outdated but offers only “future” consideration. Survivors of domestic abuse cannot wait for another session, and homeless families cannot wait for another consultation, because justice delayed is justice denied.

The minister has talked about the rising expenditure on legal aid, and I welcome that, but here is another reality: in 2014-15, there were 1,067 civil legal aid solicitors; in 2023-24, there were just 791. More money spent does not mean better access when the system is broken in the way that it is.

On public interest litigation—which, again, was raised by my colleague Pam Duncan-Glancy—at the end of the day, regulation 15 can be reformed. The Government agrees in principle, but defers it to “longer-term ... reform”. Meanwhile, systematic injustices remain unchallenged.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20208, in the name of Karen Adam, on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased that we have the opportunity today to debate the provision of civil legal assistance in Scotland. In the course of our inquiry, the committee wa...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I welcome the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee’s report on civil legal aid. It is a report that highlights the strengths of our system an...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the draft Scottish statutory instrument that was laid towards the end of December. Does the minister feel that that goes as far as is recommended i...
Siobhian Brown SNP
More than 18 months ago, I committed to considering what non-primary legislation we could introduce. That work is being done in consultation with the Scottis...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Throughout the committee’s inquiry, we heard consistent and deeply concerning evidence about the growing difficulty that individuals face in finding a solici...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Made a request to intervene.
Tess White Con
I say sorry to the minister, but I will make progress. Administrative requirements were described as “burdensome”, “disproportionate” and “damaging” to SLAB...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Ariane Burgess.
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Inaudible.—broader eligibility, reduced bureaucracy and targeted action to retain and attract legal aid solicitors in remote areas. Will they ensure that—
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms Burgess, my apologies, I called you a little early. That will give us time to address the audiovisual issues. I should of course have called Katy Clark. ...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. We thank committee members, clerks and all others who c...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Made a request to intervene.
Katy Clark Lab
The number of solicitors who are registered to provide legal aid in Scotland has fallen by 12 per cent in just three years. Does the minister still want to ...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Yes—a brief one. I appreciate that there are concerns about eligibility, fees and so on, and negotiations are on-going on those issues, but would you acknowl...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Always speak through the chair.
Katy Clark Lab
I am aware of the very recent increases, but, as the minister is aware, the problem is the significant cuts that have been made over many, many years. The 10...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank the member for giving way, because this is a really important debate. One of the big issues that I have seen as a stumbling block to primary legisla...
Katy Clark Lab
I understand that some key stakeholders are not willing to take part in that group. At this point in my speech, I am focused on legal aid rates and the reaso...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You do.
Katy Clark Lab
There is also concern about the fact that few younger solicitors are doing legal aid work. Currently, twice the number of solicitors registered for legal aid...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Access to justice is a fundamental human right. It is not a luxury, and it must never be a privilege that is reserved for those with money, confidence or pro...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Presiding Officer, I apologise to you and to other members for my late arrival in the chamber this afternoon. Suffice it to say that travelling down from Ork...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, I take this opportunity to wish you and everyone in the Parliament a happy and healthy new year. As we know, it will be a busy one for eve...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
A happy new year to you, Presiding Officer, and to colleagues across the chamber. I am pleased to speak in this debate on the findings and recommendations o...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The final speaker in the open debate is Paul McLennan. 15:15
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in this debate as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, and I thank everyone who contributed to the inquiry, in...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the winding-up speeches. 15:20
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Liam McArthur LD
I thank Martin Whitfield for taking an intervention, and I agree whole-heartedly with the points that he is making. Does he accept that the longer that the p...