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Meeting of the Parliament 20 May 2025

20 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill

I noted the concerns that were expressed by Paul O’Kane earlier about the amount of time for which we have been considering the bill and debating it this afternoon. I observe that it is but a blink of the eye compared with where we found ourselves at the same time last week.

I join other members in thanking the committee and the minister for their work on this piece of legislation. I took part in the stage 1 debate, and it is fair to say that we have come a fair way since then.

The bill introduces many welcome reforms that are long overdue. The Law Society of Scotland fairly highlights that the legislation will act to modernise and reform regulatory systems, some of which have been in place for four decades or more.

I was a member of the Justice Committee when Esther Roberton published her review, which highlighted the lack of transparency, clarity and simplicity in the landscape of legal services regulation. Although the bill stops short of one of the review’s key recommendations for an entirely independent regulatory body, it nonetheless goes some way towards improving the accessibility and reliability of legal services, and it points to the issue of access to justice that Maggie Chapman raised.

The task faced by the minister and the committee was to find an appropriate compromise that does not diminish the principle of an independent and vigorous system of regulation but ensures that we do not tie the hands of regulators and practitioners in maintaining a system that is workable and flexible—and it was no small task. One area that prompted particular opposition and concern at the time was the inclusion of what felt like arbitrary and overreaching ministerial intervention in our legal services. It was regrettable that that pretty fundamental tenet of the legislation was left to amendment at stage 2.

I acknowledge the point that Paul O’Kane made, very reasonably, that the minister inherited the situation, and I think that she has done a power of good work in seeking to address the issues with the co-operation of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee.

The bill that we are dealing with today is a very changed beast from the one that confronted us at stage 1. I commend the committee for its efforts, and the scrutiny of the bill has clearly been a collaborative endeavour. The amendments that Tess White successfully progressed today in relation to the 10-year review will serve us well; likewise, the amendments to toughen up the approach to unregulated legal services are a valuable addition to the bill.

The steps that have been taken on the basis of Paul O’Kane’s amendments to improve transparency are also very welcome, and I know that they have been welcomed by the Law Society of Scotland. They go some way to restoring public confidence in the accountability within the relevant systems.

As the minister suggested, this process was embarked upon back around 2010. There has been considerable effort, through the amending phases, to address concerns. However, referring to an observation that I made at stage 1, it has felt like the introduction of the bill was rather rushed, which is surprising, given how long the issues have been under consideration.

However, the work that has been done at stage 2 and at stage 3 today has left us in a much better place. The eventual legislation will take important steps to improve a system that for too long has failed to meet the needs of consumers or even many of those working in the sector—a system that was outdated and overly complex and, as we have heard, that repeatedly failed the public, many of whom found themselves in vulnerable positions when seeking recourse in the face of misconduct or wrongdoing.

The bill before us today better reflects the needs of a diverse and rapidly evolving legal services sector, and it builds much-needed transparency, accountability and protections into a system that must work to safeguard the interests of consumers. For that reason, Scottish Liberal Democrats will be voting in favour of the bill at decision time shortly.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17584, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. I w...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I am pleased that we have completed stage 3 of the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill with so much consensus on the final amendments to the bill, j...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
There is huge concern that consumers have been forgotten in the bill. What is your view on that?
Siobhian Brown SNP
I know that Tess White has become a member of the committee only recently. Throughout the bill’s passage, it has been incredibly difficult to find a balance ...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank all the individuals and organisations who have supported and contributed to the parliamentary passage of the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) ...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Does Ms White appreciate the history of the bill and how matters have progressed since 2010? If the bill is not passed today, we will go back to scratch and ...
Tess White Con
When the bill process started, there was an unacceptable situation, which the legal profession reported directly to Scottish ministers. It was absolutely abs...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Tess White spoke about the challenges that the bill presents, particularly with regard to the independence of the judiciary. However, I am not sure whether s...
Tess White Con
We are fully supportive of having an independent regulator. The regulators and the judiciary were fundamentally opposed to the approach of having a single in...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Paul O’Kane Lab
Will Tess White give way?
Tess White Con
I will take the minister’s intervention first.
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am slightly confused by Ms White’s contribution. She said that the Scottish Conservatives would fully support having an independent regulator, but then she...
Tess White Con
I am saying that, when the bill process started, the Scottish Government wanted the judiciary to report directly to ministers, which was absolutely absurd. W...
Paul O’Kane Lab
On the theme that the member has raised, the judiciary’s concern was about maintaining its independence in the processing of complaints. Does she envisage th...
Tess White Con
The independent regulator should report directly to the Lord President, definitely not the Scottish Government. It is to the minister’s credit that minister...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour and confirm that we will support the bill at decision time this evening. As we have heard ...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
On behalf of the Scottish Greens, I welcome the bill and thank all those who helped to bring it—at last—to stage 3. I thank my committee colleagues, the cler...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I noted the concerns that were expressed by Paul O’Kane earlier about the amount of time for which we have been considering the bill and debating it this aft...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call on the minister to wind up the debate. You have a very generous four minutes, minister. 17:52
Siobhian Brown SNP
I will take a moment to reflect on the importance of the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill and the hard work that has gone into bringing it to thi...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I am aware that the minister is in her peroration, but I am keen to get some clarity on the issue of amendments that we debated, particularly those around sa...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank Paul O’Kane for his question and for reminding me to get to that point, because I might have missed it. There are consequences to amendment 42 not b...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill at stage 3.